dealer question

jdm61

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We had a rather lively thread last week about dealers. I have been looking at a number of dealer websites and notice that while a fair number of their knives are from well known makers and priced accordingly, a lot of the dealers have a decent selection of affordable knives from lesser known makers. Some of these knives are QUITE reasonable.....less than $200 and for some small, simple knives more like $100. A question for the dealers and others in the know. How does a new maker hook up with dealers? In a world where there are a lot of new guys making nice knives, many of which are quite similar, how do you dealers pick one or two new makers out of the crowd?
 
Joe, if you build a good knife, they will find you.

Ya got to set up at shows though, dealers cruse the isles looking for the new and different.
 
Joe, if you build a good knife, they will find you.

Ya got to set up at shows though, dealers cruse the isles looking for the new and different.

I think that pretty much nails the answer to the question. Those are the dealers who I admire. They will take a calculated chance based on what they see and hear from the maker and from that can come good things. WWG - you are one who has done that since I have known you.
 
Hi Guys,

I have to disagree with Don.

He wrote: "Joe, if you build a good knife, they will find you."

There are lots of good makers out there building a good knife. The quality of a makers work is only a small part of the equation for me that is.

A maker must have value pricing. This is especially important for the newer makers. This price is determined primarily by their position in the market. Most makers don't know their position, then again most dealers don't know a makers position in the market. Except for the top 5 or so. Which is why you see the primarily Internet dealers going after the same 25 makers or so.

The maker must be able to produce a body of work that will allow me to get a good supply of knives. There is no reason to spend my time marketing someone who builds 10 -20 knives a year. All that happens is the maker gets inadated with orders and gets 2 years behind. Which for the most part will take them out of the market place for several years. As well makers working with 3 or more dealers are usually avoided as well. Why? Because if a maker can supply 3 or more dealers, fill their orders and make knives for show. Are making so many knives that the demand for their work will be marginal at best. I prefer to work with the "Demand and Supply" mindset instead of the Econ 101 mantra of "Supply and Demand".

The maker must view their knife making (at least to a degree) a business. They have to understand that as great as an artist that they may be...no customers...no money. Negative cash flow leads rapidly to "OUT OF BUSINESS". Makers who build knives primarily for approval of their peers should be steered clear of. Remember, knife makers are known far and wide for their lack of "BUYING" custom knives. :D

I prefer makers who can take and implement constructive criticism. I may not be able to make a knife, but I know what will make a knife sell.

I prefer makers who advertise themselves. This generally falls inline with having a business plan (in writing).

Lastly the makers personality and lifestyle. If a maker is rude to buyers that is probably not the best maker to start a relationship with. If a maker has personal issues, eventually this/these issues will become a problem. They will have a negative impact on the makers ability to fill orders. This will cost them the position they worked so hard to gain.

Oh yea, they need to make a good knife! :D

WWG
 
Hi Guys,

I have to disagree with Don.

He wrote: "Joe, if you build a good knife, they will find you."

There are lots of good makers out there building a good knife. The quality of a makers work is only a small part of the equation for me that is.

A maker must have value pricing. This is especially important for the newer makers. This price is determined primarily by their position in the market. Most makers don't know their position, then again most dealers don't know a makers position in the market. Except for the top 5 or so. Which is why you see the primarily Internet dealers going after the same 25 makers or so.

The maker must be able to produce a body of work that will allow me to get a good supply of knives. There is no reason to spend my time marketing someone who builds 10 -20 knives a year. All that happens is the maker gets inadated with orders and gets 2 years behind. Which for the most part will take them out of the market place for several years. As well makers working with 3 or more dealers are usually avoided as well. Why? Because if a maker can supply 3 or more dealers, fill their orders and make knives for show. Are making so many knives that the demand for their work will be marginal at best. I prefer to work with the "Demand and Supply" mindset instead of the Econ 101 mantra of "Supply and Demand".

The maker must view their knife making (at least to a degree) a business. They have to understand that as great as an artist that they may be...no customers...no money. Negative cash flow leads rapidly to "OUT OF BUSINESS". Makers who build knives primarily for approval of their peers should be steered clear of. Remember, knife makers are known far and wide for their lack of "BUYING" custom knives. :D

I prefer makers who can take and implement constructive criticism. I may not be able to make a knife, but I know what will make a knife sell.

I prefer makers who advertise themselves. This generally falls inline with having a business plan (in writing).

Lastly the makers personality and lifestyle. If a maker is rude to buyers that is probably not the best maker to start a relationship with. If a maker has personal issues, eventually this/these issues will become a problem. They will have a negative impact on the makers ability to fill orders. This will cost them the position they worked so hard to gain.

Oh yea, they need to make a good knife! :D

WWG
And we have both been agreeing on so much lately :D
 
Hi Don,

Just the part about the maker only has to "build a good knife". :D

Although that is certainly part of the equation!

WWG
 
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