Death to choils

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What is up with this choil BS? I've seen it destroy a couple of great knife designs. First of all who needs to choke up on a 3.5 inch blade? Second whose little girly fingers do they make these for? If I actually tried to use one as intended it would shred the f out of me. Third, I needed to cut some lengths of 550 cord and the loop kept snagging in that stupid f'n choil. All they do is make you lose half an inch of usable edge. Get rid of them! Just a nice little sharpening choil is all you need.

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You are not alone, and trust me lots of makers are listening.....many makers don't put them (either) in their work...

It's interesting what people Want,
and Don't Want with their knives.
The list is long.
 
It reminds me of owning a piece of high visibility commercial property and putting your dumpsters along the frontage. lol

If they are going to be useless, atleast the smaller ones waste less cutting edge. It's the huge oversized ones that really bother me.

The only design that I sort of understand is flipper delete models with drop shut action. Without the flipper tab to buff the drop, they'll get ya if you don’t have the reflexes of a twenty year old athlete. lol
 
I think it's so it grabs and tugs on the material you're trying to cut instead of cutting smoothly like having edge there would.

If you listen closely you can sometimes hear the designer snickering at your struggle, reveling in their evil design
 
Preach, brother!

I have a whole list of knives I would love to throw my money at, but I refuse for this very reason. And a couple of knives I have broke down and bought, but just can’t come to grips with the choil so they get traded, sold, or given away.

In addition to being more practical, knives without choils are much more pleasing to the eye.

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Any space between the handle and the cutting edge is useless to me. I favor Spyderco as a brand and as much as I love their knives most of them have the dreaded finger choil. I think the Bodacious is their best design in a while now. Blade. Handle. Brilliant. I would buy one but it's more knife than I'm allowed at work which would make it another hardly carried knife in the collection of dusty hardly carried bit too big knife pile. Maybe they will eventually make a 3" mini Bod.
 
There are just as many people on the opposite side of this debate.

While I agree excessively large choils like in the first post are overkill and undesirable, a small one has benefits too. Not for choking up but for sharpening and blade longevity/aesthetics in the long run.

After many sharpenings, the blade starts to look like a poorly made prison shank. And ultimately, you end up losing cutting edge anyway.

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As for snagging on stuff, I personally think it's pretty exaggerated. I've not had issues whether field dressing/skinning game, cutting twine or slicing cardboard. The handful times it might have happened aren't worth the poor looks and edge loss down the road.

I'll take a dropped heel or small choil any day.
 
I do agree with the above about a sharpening choil. BUT... I think it was in one of Outdoors55's videos he made the point of if you are upset at the sharpening choil snagging then just sharpen the choil. I've only done it with one knife so far so I won't swear to it but it seems to work fine. I used a triangle hone from an old Lansky kit and it took a while but worked great. Also have a Sage 5 I bought from someone where they used a diamond rod to add a sharpening choil so it's a little wider than I'd like. As soon as I find a same size diamond rod they used I'm going to use it to add an edge to the choil and I bet that works even better.
 
Danke42 said:
What makes me boiling mad is the way the Choil Police force us to buy hundreds of knives with choils while suppressing anything without a choil.

It's an outrage.

PS: do tip up/tip down, bushcraft vs. survival, and batoning vs. hatchet next.
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Thanks for that! Also 9 vs 45, Coke vs Pepsi. Let's get everyone's jimmies riled!
 
I'm still pretty new here but I keep forgetting you aren't allowed to have the same conversation around here more than once. Or comment on an old thread. Or start a new thread about something that's been said in an old thread. Or ask a question about an answer you can't find in the forum only to be told this has already been discussed before and get your thread locked. Or have a difference of opinion because you've seen different.
 
Maximumbob54 said:
I'm still pretty new here but I keep forgetting you aren't allowed to have the same conversation around here more than once. Or comment on an old thread. Or start a new thread about something that's been said in an old thread. Or ask a question about an answer you can't find in the forum only to be told this has already been discussed before and get your thread locked. Or have a difference of opinion because you've seen different.
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Beating a dead horse alert!
 
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