December 21st 2012 any plans?

sulsaMatt

sulsaMatt

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Some people belive that in about 4 years (based on the Mayan calendar, and asst. other prophecies) the world is going to undergo a major change. I was just curious if any of you guys are making any arrangements to increase your chances of survival. I'm not ashamed to admit my Mad Max complex, and the fact that wheras I'm not prepared for dinner, most times, I am prepared for the Apocalypse. Just curious... If you think I'm crazy...
 
I watched a discovery program about this, they said that two Greek oracles, Nostradamus, Merlin, the Mayans, native Americans, an ancient Chinese fortune telling technique and a stock predicting program all predict 2012 as something special. I am not to worried, if it is really bad, not much could help anyway. I don't think that these predictions mean anything, but it is an interesting thought.
 
I am going to start buying up big packages of toilet paper. I have guns and ammo, knives and land on an island in Alaska. Must have toilet paper. Bark and pine cones suck. LOL
 
According to different prophecies the world will end at 10 different times over the next 10 years... I'm not all too worried.
 
sulsaMatt said:
Just curious... If you think I'm crazy...
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Keith_H said:
I watched a discovery program about this, they said that two Greek oracles, Nostradamus, Merlin, the Mayans, native Americans, an ancient Chinese fortune telling technique and a stock predicting program all predict 2012 as something special. I am not to worried, if it is really bad, not much could help anyway. I don't think that these predictions mean anything, but it is an interesting thought.
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I don't think you're crazy, and it never hurts to be prepared, but this ancient Mayan stuff is hardly even worth reading about. If you know anything about how their empires fell, through environmental degradation, civil war, and popular revolution, you'll realize those partcular ancients didn't do the wisdom thing real well.

Toss in Greek oracles -- Dead for centuries, and their prophesies with them.
Nostradamus -- He never made a prophesy so obscure someone couldn't twist it to mean what they want.
Merlin -- The mythical magician who didn't really exist so he could prophesy anything.
The Mayans -- See above.
Native Americans -- Which ones, what records did they leave, or was this some self-proclaimed chief at a casino stand-up comedy show?
An ancient Chinese fortune telling technique -- Sorry, I don't decide my future on the basis of a fortune cookie.
A stock predicting program -- Oh, wow. Now that's an encouraging prognosticator! How has the market been doing lately?

I agree with Keith_H. I don't think that these predictions mean anything either.

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So where does this date come from anyway? The Mayans. People have been tossing in anything else just to make it seem more ominous. There are books to be sold! TV interviews to be recorded! The end of the world is at hand!

The Mayans really were pretty impressive. Some of us feel they were too impressive, too successful, overran their enemies, overworked their lands, brought on ecological collapse, and the civil wars and revolutions were the reaction to widespread poverty, starvation, and social dissolution.

But they weren't stupid, their technology wasn't bad, and their mathematics were superb. They were inveterate stargazers, and in these characteristics, they strongly resembled the Babylonians. Remember the Tower of Babel? That's sort of what happened to the Maya, too.

Between their stargazing and their mathematics, they devised the most elaborate and accurate calendar anywhere on Earth. It followed cycles of the Sun and of Venus. Each day in the overall cycle had a unique name. When all the cycles within cycles had run their course, a major cycle came to an end. (The Hindus have a similar concept, the Yuga.)

That's what the Mayan calendar is predicting, that cycles within cycles in their complex calendar are going to come to the end of one age and the beginning of another. The Maya themselves are still around. Several related languages are still in use around Central America. This may predict the rise of a new political party in the Yucatan or Guatemala I don't know ...
 
I personally do not think anything bad is going to happen, I took out a 10yr term policy 2 years ago, they are betting I live 10 more years and I am betting I don't. So if something does happen, I WIN.:D
 
Esav,
A compelling rebuttal, my patience for hunt and peck typing tends to stiffle my responses. I'll try to dig up some links to some substantial evidence not just prophecies, but geological events as well. At any rate, luck is when opportunity meets preparedness. For my families sake, I would be all too embarrassed to have a great assortment of survival gear and knowledge, and be caught with my pants down should the event arise. If it goes the way of Y2K I'll just sell my surplus on 3bay. I guess it's more like surviving as a hobby. Some people build model airplanes, I prepare for the Apocalypse. Oh and I've already got a pretty good stockpile of TP :D
 
I had a nextdoor neighbor who almost went overboard on Y2K. He really obsessed about it. But the one thing I did not criticize was his stockpiling and studying what to do, if. You can always eat the rations and TP never goes to waste. :)
 
sulsaMatt said:
Esav,
A compelling rebuttal, my patience for hunt and peck typing tends to stiffle my responses. I'll try to dig up some links to some substantial evidence not just prophecies, but geological events as well. At any rate, luck is when opportunity meets preparedness. For my families sake, I would be all too embarrassed to have a great assortment of survival gear and knowledge, and be caught with my pants down should the event arise. If it goes the way of Y2K I'll just sell my surplus on 3bay. I guess it's more like surviving as a hobby. Some people build model airplanes, I prepare for the Apocalypse. Oh and I've already got a pretty good stockpile of TP :D
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As a working professional geologist, I would like to hear more about the geological events you refer to. All of the predictive methods I know about rely on statistical analysis of probabilities and look at things relative to geologic time, not human time frames.
 
Well I just don't put much stock in it.
If the Mayan's were good at seeing the future they would not all be dead.
By the way why aren't all fortune tellers lottery winners?
 
Well if the end of the world comes, isn't that a good excuse to but a Nepalese kukri? :D
 
sulsaMatt said:
Here's one good link... I have more. I didn't really start this thread to preach THE END IS NIGH! Just curious how many like minded folks are out there
http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/2012.html

another one...
http://2012-predictions-review.blogspot.com/2008/05/mother-shipton.html
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The first link pretty thoroughly debunks any connection of the Maya calendar with current/near future events. It concludes it is just a calendar.

The second link is really far out. Any account that is introduced by this is outside my interest, anyway:
Whether she was real or a figment of a capitalists imagination doesn't take away from some of the blurred truths that these verses seem to predict.
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sulsaMatt said:
... Just curious how many like minded folks are out there...
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Well I have been studying/practicing survival skills, military tactics/guerilla warfare, sharp shooting, and camouflage... because I think a revolution might happen depending on what happens during the next 4 years. I guess I'm a paranoid nut too. :p ;):D
 
Lets not forget that they didn't start the A.D. system until something like 200 years after Jesus died. So maybe it will actually be this year. In all reality there were people in Jesus' time saying "the world will end tomorrow!" When the world ends it will probably be swift and I doubt any human will have the foresight to see it coming before it is upon us. But it's always fun to speculate. I am glad I didn't spend new years eve on the year 2000 in a bunker however.
 
Dan Seaver said:
Well I have been studying/practicing survival skills, military tactics/guerilla warfare, sharp shooting, and camouflage... because I think a revolution might happen depending on what happens during the next 4 years. I guess I'm a paranoid nut too. :p ;):D
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That's really what this was about... sort of. I enjoy a good debate... but I don't enjoy being on the computer. As I mentioned I'm not much of a typist. I probably should have named this thread "who else is a backyard guerilla?"
Esav,
Should you live closer, and should I have a 12 pack handy, we could solve all the worlds problems. But the fact remains, my focus is having a plan for any contingency. Should the proverbial $hit hit the fan, I and my small core of friends and family will stand a better chance of survival than those who passively dissmiss the probability that anything could possibly change the all too delicate structure we've grown accustomed too. To me nothing is more dangerous than complacency. I live in a very rural mountain village. I'm from a major city. Now instead of going to the cinema or mall I go to the woods to learn and prepare. The impending economic doom is enough for me to want to know how to get my own food. I'm not saying this is going to be like Red Dawn, but failing to prepare is being prepared to fail (thank you Survival Sheaths);)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I don't think you're crazy, and it never hurts to be prepared, but this ancient Mayan stuff is hardly even worth reading about. If you know anything about how their empires fell, through environmental degradation, civil war, and popular revolution, you'll realize those partcular ancients didn't do the wisdom thing real well.
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These were some of the most brilliant mathmaticians, engineers, and architects to walk the earth. So they didn't have the whole civilities thing down. If they were that perfect, they'd probably be a superpower today.
 
We have the same problem today. Engineers can build anything we want, politicians make the wrong decisions on what to build. Human affairs are perilously complicated.
 
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