Define the Ultimate Survival/ Utility knife

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Define the Ultimate Survival/ Utility knife.

Well to me the Ultimate Survival/ Utility knife will be a knife that can handle most outdoor chores, reliable, easy to maintain and of course cheap. I understand that quality knives do not come cheaply but I am sure that every one here want them to be cheap but I should define cheap as well as in cost effective and value for money.

First of all I would like to discuss about function. I know that a knife that performs many tasks cannot be good at any. And have been told many times to use the right tool for the right job. But let’s face it during an outdoor trip one cannot bring everything. Just imagine just for cutting tool in a camp trip bring an axe, saw, machete, big knife and small knife and if it is really feasible to buy all this different kind of tool at the 1st place not all of us are woodsman. The thing is in most outdoor activities we do not need a perfect tool for each and everything just something that get the job done. When chopping wood, is it a big factor that it takes more time and effort to do so for I do not think that we do a lot of those or need a lot of wood anyway. Just some for shelter and fire that’s all. For me I think that a good Survival/ Utility knife will be one that can perform a variety of task, able to perform task such as minor chopping, some ground clearing and other cutting task. It is a fact that no multi tool can out perform a minimally stock tool box but we just cannot carry a tool box walking around everyday. We just get a multi tool that best suits our lifestyle and environment.

Second is reliability. When we are in the outdoor or in the wilds we rely on our tools a lot so it will need to able to take certain amount of damage and abuse and still able to function. By increasing the thickness of the blade will improve its strength but reduce its cutting ability so a balance between strength and cutting ability should be achieved. And should be built with less part for the more parts there is the more chance of failure. I guess this rule out those hollow handle and many part knives out as good knives.

Thirdly will be the ease of maintenance. In the outdoor our tools are open to the elements and sometimes proper maintenance is near impossible. So it will need to be able to stand up to the elements. From my experience even the best stainless steel will rust in certain condition and if your knife needs to be oil after each use it is simply too much trouble. There was this time when I used a high carbon steel knife where it rust just after a few hours of exposure in the open. I should also state I was near saltwater environment and the environment is also very damp for I am in a tropical climate place and very near the sea. A decent carbon steel knife can easily out perform any expensive stainless steel in terms of edge holding ability and strength but in the out door open to the elements carbon steel will not be my choice for even with coating the cutting edge is still exposure. To the best of my knowledge the more rust resistant the steel is the weaker it is in terns of edge holding ability. So a balance between rust resistance and edge holding ability should also be achieved.

Lastly I would like to discuss about cost. Well with enough resources at our disposal one can custom made an ultimate knife with exotic state or the art material but sadly that is rarely the case. And even if one can afford that I think it is very unlikely that he or she will use it. It will be more likely ending as a collection piece where it is on display rather then really being used. And if it is not really used before how can one tell that it is the ultimate knife for it has never been tested at all. And if is only available to a select few what is the point? So the ultimate knife should be with thin the reach of the general public this mean that it should not be too expensive.

Will like to note that this is just what I think and feel free to comment and help me in my search for the Ultimate Survival knife.
 
On my opinion for outdor I prefer good axe (hatchet) and good full size multytool - like big Letherman etc., two handle saw also good option. The only use for knife outdoor is - food preparation, potato piling, mushroom cleaning or something like fish or deers and for selfdefence - mostly as insurance that nobody will try anithing if you have knife with you - as a statement that you are armed and ready to defend youself (handgun much better but they are banned in Russia). Hovewer usual food outdoor we had were different kinds of porridge, sublimated beef, dry soop concentrate etc. From other hand I am talking about Russian outdoor/hiking - pine forest, no jungles - no need for machete.

Axe and saw never were a problem to carry for us outdor and they were priority #1 all other staff less important (matches in waterproof container were most important of course). You do not need saw axe can perform everithyng - but it makes you life much more comfortable with saw. Of course you need one axe and one saw for all group.

However I prefer to have knife with me all the time, I mean on me somewhere - just in case. Kind of universal tool as a last resort for emergency or urgent need when you away from camp or you lost your staff for some reason and only have what was on you etc. And I like to have nice good looking knife to play with sometimes.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
The question of the Ultimate Survival Knife is a vexed one as it depends on the environment you expect to use such a knife. Here in Australia I would not expect such a knife to be used for chopping - most of our bush is hard wood and it extremely wearing on any knife - it is a very different matter when you are dealing with soft woods. Also in our environment we have a lot of dry desert country where again using a knife for chopping is not required nor recommended. So the knife in my view would be any clip point or spear point blade of around 4-5", full tang, made of D2 or A2 tempered to its optimum. For me if I was looking for the Ultimate Survival Knife I would want the best I could afford - if confronted with a survival situation I don't want the knife letting me down. Something similar to one of the larger Dozier Knives would suit my situation.
 
The ultimate survival knife would be the one you actually had with you when the manure hits the air conditioning.

As we don't plan to be involved in a disaster, this will typically be one's EDC.

Pick the right EDC.

maximus otter
 
Define the Ultimate Survival/ Utility knife.

Just about anything, as long as the hand that holds it remains steady. Survival is about keeping your wits. It is detrimental to vest too much energy in any one item; what would you do if you break it or lose it, roll over and die? Get a good cool knife because you like it, and because you find it comfortable to use. Its role in a survival situation is purely hap stance.

n2s
 
The following was post on the Swamp Rat forum several months ago. I thought it applied here so I have copied it from the original and removed the individuals name.

I live up here in Alaska and the thing that always strikes me when I read in the paper about the latest "death/survial event" that has happened to somebody is its always a surprise. Another words when you take the canoe,raft,snowmachine,plane,atv etc out for a trip taking an axe or other gear is great. BUT when the raft/canoe flips,the snowmachine breaks through the ice,the plane sinks on landing or the ATV gets washed away in a river crossing its whats actually strapped ON TO YOU that you have left to survive with. So for me that is a 7" blade and survival gear. Sure it would be easier to have an axe but they are almost always gone. We recently had a pilot sink his plane on a missed landing and he spent the night soaking wet outdorrs at 10F. No survival gear of any kind. All os his gear was safely stowed in the plane at the bottom of the lake Hope that helps a bit.
 
I think that points made by N2S and Eric are very valid. I love my khukuris for my conceptual survival blade, but as mentioned by others above it will most likely be one of the folders that I bought because I loved them that would be on my person when I need a knife.
When I am actually in the woods there is a khuk on my hip. On my way to the woods it would be in the BOB or on the back seat of the truck. In an emergency, in the truck I might not have the time to grab the khuk and the folder in the pocket would take the lead as my survival blade.
As N2S stated, buy what you love, and then keep it with you. :D
 
Harry Archer, who began his life time of dealing with survival situations at Inchon as a 17 year old Marine said:
"A survival knife is the the knife you have when you encounter a survival situation"
Several of those posting have expressed the same idea, be sure that your EDC is the highest quality you can afford. The Canadian with the Buck 110 had enough knife for the couger, less and he might not have made it.
A. G.
 
I consider a survival knife to be the knife you have on you when a life threatening situation occurs. Think about the news segments when a hiker saved himself with a pocket knife he had on him at the time of a life or death situation. The worst part was it was dull! You just never know when a life or death situation will occur. You could be driving to work and have an accident and only have your folder in your pocket to cut the seat belt or break a window. If your in a wilderness enviroment, and all your gear is lost, the knife you have on you will be the knife you will survive with. That is a tough question to answer because every situation is different.
 
AG--your post made me think of the worst possible words that could be carved on the tombstone of a knife nut: "He Didn't Bring Enough Knife for the Cougar..." :)
--Josh
 
As I understand initial post was more about outdoor knife then emergency. For some reason this kind of knife always call survival, hovewer it is possible to live comfortable outdoor and it is not always surviving, but survival knife sounds better the outdoor, as well as tacktical sounds better then pockets etc...
Thanks, Vassili.
 
Besides a Ka-bar for survival use (though, it is a great choice) take a look at the Spyderco Tempernace and Benchmade Nimravus (tanto point). Both of them are great for minimal cutting tasks and have an ease of maintenance in the field. Plus, the sheath for the Tempernace allows for differnt position carry...........making it easier to reach for while carrying any back packs, etc. The Temperance would make a great digging tool for setting up poles for camps or rigging up anything needed to survive. The Temperance would be great for skinning animals, too. The Nimravus allows all the same but the tanto point would be easier to keep in the field.
 
I certainly agree that my EDC will most likely be my "survival knife" in an actual emergency. That's one of the factors I considered in selecting it.

For general wilderness usage I can't help but think of the Becker BK9 Combat Bowie (9"), BK7 Combat/Survival (7"), or BK10 Crewman (5.5"). Select your favorite size by environment and personal preferences. :-) The Beckers are well-designed, well-made, versatile, tough, and reasonably priced. I keep a BK9 in my large car kit and a BK10 in the small one.

--Bob Q
 
Echo what Eric said! If I had the choice, I'd go for either a SwampRat Camp Tramp or Busse Steel Heart - depending on budget! :D

Bo Hansen
 
Well since the best one is the one that I will have on me I will have to go with a folder. I am fond of 110's and 112's and also really like slip-joints in the 4 1/4 range. If I am ever in a survival situation their is about a 95% chance that one or both of these type knives is what I will have to work with. People have gotten by with a lot less.
 
nozh2002 you are right. What i mean was an outdoor knife that will be able to function as a survival knife if things go wrong. And in hiking trip and camping trip you are at risk of things going wrong like getting lost or trap coz there is a landslide blocking the path back. So you will be in survival situation. And if things dont go wrong basicly i will be just heating up can food in my mini gas stove for it is ilegal to hunt in my place coz i will be going to forest reserve most of the time. My point is that if everything goes acording to plan we will not a survival knife at the 1st place but as in everything in life not everything goes acording to plan. In the outdoor and if things go wrong you will be relying on your tools a lot to survive. I think most of us here will not be going out to the wild with just a small EDC.
 
Swamp Rat Camp Tramp fits all your parameters.Attainable$, bombproof and great ergos.
 
Try some of the knives from T.O.P.S. you'll find that they are designed with field survival in mind.. Mmmm.. The only "survival" situation I might find in Penang is when the ferry service screws-up and when someone blew up your bridge.. Something like a siege on the island where people have to hunt, build fire and gather food to survive..

Sam
 
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