Definitions? Does a good one exist?

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Robert, et al:
I for one would like to see a complete definition of the terms that are used in describing the Japanese blade work. But is this even possible?

I have a passing interest probably like most people in several different styles of blade work from many countries and it's been my experience that finding clear terms that describe such things as "noi" and "nie" ( are those even correct spellings or terms? See I don't even know that. Well I'm pretty sure about "nie" but not absolutely positive at the moment.)
I have respect for many different
styles of blade art from many countries, but not a deep enough love for each one to spend a lot of time studying the nuances of each and every term associated with any particular country.

There are also many terms that describe the several different parts of the Keris which is another style of blade that I have a passing interest in, that although maybe clearer. are way to many, for a person with just a passing interest to remember.
But I have a page that I printed off that describes the many, many different areas that pertain to just the top of the blade next to the tang and I can have it handy to look at if I am having a discussion about a Keris with some one who is very knowledgeable about them.
But I have never found any Websites that have a very clear and concise description of the many, many different areas and sometimes barely visible (to me) parts that make up a Japanese blade no matter which it may be.
I don't recall at the moment who wrote the descriptions of several Japanese blades in Robert's thread
for Quasi-Japanese Traditionalists, a rant, but that little bit helped me have a little more understanding about the many varied Japanese blade's and style's.

I would appreciate a point in the right direction if such a Website does indeed exists and if not I am sure that many people would appreciate such a list if it's even possible to have a clear and concise description of all the varied Japanese terms that makes up a description of a Japanese blade of any style, down to perhaps even a lowly cleaver used strictly for utility.

I get lost when I read anyone's post describeing a Japanese or even a blade from a different country and using the correct terms that I'm not familiar with.
But then again some days I even have trouble recalling what a simple term such as ricasso or choil is due to some of the medications I have to take and is just one of the things I have to live with.
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I can certainly understand anyone's passion for a certain country's blade art and the proper terms that should be used when discusing them.
And I also understand what a pain it would be to try and describe such subtle nuances that pertain to the Japanese blade art or the Javanese Keris (for example) in each and every thread to people like me that have only a passing mild interest, but would like to understand what the poster is trying to convey.
So, is this a even a reasonable request or perhaps a subject for discussion?

If I had a list that I printed off in front of me when reading such discussions it would go a long ways in my understanding and even perhaps rub off a little of that person's passion off on me.
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Thanks for reading.
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Indin word for lousy hunter.

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Rich Stein's Japanese Sword Index

http://www.japanesesword.homestead.com

It's a great site that has a nice glossary of definitions. Many definitions are hard to describe because they are very subtle effects. But that will give you a good idea of much of the terminology you may want to know.

Hope it helps.
 
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Thanks Robert.
Tere is no wonder I or people ike me with a passing interest in Japanese blade art find it so complicated to understand the terms.
I printed off 6 pages of definitions that relate to the Japanese Sword!!!!
And that still doesn't give a total description of what I had in mind. Perhaps it is impossible.
A man has to have a real love of the Japanese Sword to know and understand all of these terms.

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>>>>---Yvsa-G@WebTV.net---->®

"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
Yes it takes a particular mindset to even bother with more than a passive interest. I'm rather accustomed to the terms, so I often forget that other people may not understand what I'm talking about. I'm fairly active here and my area is in Japanese-style swords. I hope nobody thinks that I'm trying to restrict this forum culturally, as that is not my intention at all!
 
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