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Cliff Stamp did a video I thought was interesting (don't know how to link video): It's on Youtube: The title:

Edge Retention - 3Cr13/420, VG-10, k390, CPM-M4 (cardboard)

Despite all his care, there was no noticeable difference between M4, VG-10 and K390!!!: They hovered around each other... Even for the "mystery steel" 3Cr13/420, he called the evidence that the other 3 steels were superior to it visible but "weak": Barely noticeable after each knife was brought down to a certain percentage of optimal sharpness, and re-sharpened ten times...

The numbers for the amount of material to cut needed to bring out the differences between the 3 "better" steels he described as enormous: 50 000 meters of cardboard, just because the cardboard is so inconsistent...

He mentions that in CATRA results the difference between VG-10 and M4 is less than two to one, while the differences in similar cardboard alone is TEN to one...
Which is why it is so difficult to tell edges apart in real life...

He of course mentions "cognitive bias" at the end... No kidding...

Gaston
 
Gaston444 said:
Cliff Stamp did a video I thought was interesting (don't know how to link video): It's on Youtube: The title:

Edge Retention - 3Cr13/420, VG-10, k390, CPM-M4 (cardboard)

Despite all his care, there was no noticeable difference between M4, VG-10 and K390!!!: They hovered around each other... Even for the "mystery steel" 3Cr13/420, he called the evidence that the other 3 steels were superior to it visible but "weak": Barely noticeable after each knife was brought down to a certain percentage of optimal sharpness, and re-sharpened ten times...

The numbers for the amount of material to cut needed to bring out the differences between the 3 "better" steels he described as enormous: 50 000 meters of cardboard, just because the cardboard is so inconsistent...

He mentions that in CATRA results the difference between VG-10 and M4 is less than two to one, while the differences in similar cardboard alone is TEN to one...
Which is why it is so difficult to tell edges apart in real life...

He of course mentions "cognitive bias" at the end... No kidding...

Gaston
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Please keep Cliff Stamps BS out of my thread, he is a banned member and most people here know he and his minions are a joke and completely full of crap.
 
That's right. If it comes from that source, it can't possibly be true.:rolleyes:
 
Look, Ankerson has done a monster favor to the hobby by running this thread. It's little enough to honor his desire to keep it free of the controversy that inevitably accompanies that particular former member.
 
As I said before, there would be no controversy except for the source of the information and Ankerson's reaction. I don't see any controversy in the information itself.
 
me2 said:
As I said before, there would be no controversy except for the source of the information and Ankerson's reaction. I don't see any controversy in the information itself.
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Indeed:thumbup:
 
Ankerson said:
Please keep Cliff Stamps BS out of my thread, he is a banned member and most people here know he and his minions are a joke and completely full of crap.
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Jim , i saw that you have been visiting Cliff Stamp's forums , and i thought that you and him were friends .

Different views that come into hatred , man , i think what you did above is some kind of naive .

i like Cliff and his efforts , but and i never never think your efforts are BS , and never think that your proponents are minions and , never think your inputs are full of crap and , you were a joke.

man , i respect what you did on knife retention , and you spend a lot of time for doing tests.

thank you .

Ps: i think we can talk knife in a envirment of peaceful.
 
Could we please not talk about Cliff Stamp in my thread? :rolleyes:

Open another thread someplace like in W&C.......
 
me2 said:
As I said before, there would be no controversy except for the source of the information and Ankerson's reaction. I don't see any controversy in the information itself.
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+1

I fail to see how the Cliff Stamp quote should count as BS... I'm never been a fan of him but I truly think that he is very knowledgeable on whatever he done... his test method also far more logical and reasonable than many others...

Just too much hatred here I think :rolleyes:
 
shqxk said:
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I fail to see how the Cliff Stamp quote should count as BS... I'm never been a fan of him but I truly think that he is very knowledgeable on whatever he done... his test method also far more logical and reasonable than many others...

Just too much hatred here I think :rolleyes:
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You must be overthinking things I guess. If Ankerson has made a simple request, why is it so hard to understand for the peanut gallery psychologists to understand? You know what they say about assuming, don't you? So don't do it. This thread is about what the author has to say about the very specific topic of steel. It's not the be all, end all; but it is his to write about. Make some effort to be respectful of his request. Stop bringing up people that have nothing to do with it, or more people are going to get zapped for trolling. Keep the conspiracy theories to yourselves.
 
RevDevil said:
You must be overthinking things I guess. If Ankerson has made a simple request, why is it so hard to understand for the peanut gallery psychologists to understand? You know what they say about assuming, don't you? So don't do it. This thread is about what the author has to say about the very specific topic of steel. It's not the be all, end all; but it is his to write about. Make some effort to be respectful of his request. Stop bringing up people that have nothing to do with it, or more people are going to get zapped for trolling. Keep the conspiracy theories to yourselves.
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So if I start a review thread and some people came up with the information I don't like, I can call it bullshit and call anyone who follow it a crap, right?

I don't know about the assuming you talking about and I never said this or any thread are be all, end all.

People just need to give respect to others with difference opinion unless they don't gat it back...
 
shqxk said:
So if I start a review thread and some people came up with the information I don't like, I can call it bullshit and call anyone who follow it a crap, right?

I don't know about the assuming you talking about and I never said this or any thread are be all, end all.

People just need to give respect to others with difference opinion unless they don't gat it back...
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Ankerson started this thread to document information, it has nothing to do with anyone else. He tested stuff using his money to buy rope and knives. It was done as a courtesy to those interested and was started 5 years ago. This is not up for discussion in his thread, so we're going to Tech Support since you have a problem with the way other people want their threads to go. I don't care of Jim and Cliff have a difference of opinion or if they hate one another, none of my business or yours for that matter. I don't need to take up sides. What I see is people that are derailing a thread with irrelevant material that the OP has requested not be there.

I really cannot explain it any clearer than that. LIke I said, anything outside of this simple fact is completely irrelevant to me, the thread, and the community. If you want to start your own thread similar to what Jim has done and provide a method of testing that will bring to light different results than what Jim has found, by all means please do. If someone starts shitting in your thread, I will absolutely extend you the same courtesy of keeping it on topic and in line with whatever your specific goal is.
 
One of the mods must have moved it. I don't know. If it is gone, then I recommend not going there again with whatever you said. Move along or start your own thread.
 
I looked and it appears to have been deleted. It doesn't show up anywhere on a search of my recent posts. I'll repost, as it was directly related to the thread and Ankerson was getting ready to test one when the member sent it to him.
 
Gaston444 said:
Cliff Stamp....
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Ah, like when you brought up Andy Rooney as the great american mind who thought little of the usefulness of the pocket knife. Or that other time when you said Russians carry real guns and how it did their freedom no good. How about the time that you said Americans don't carry fixed blades because you don't see them on TV. And let us not forget the constant pot shots taken at the USA.

There is a long history of bringing flawed or no evidence to the table and saying things out of envy. Sad to see it disrupting great threads that make this a great place.
 
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