design copyright question

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Are the members' designs that are posted on these forums all copyrighted? Can someone elaborate on this process? Is it the same as patenting?

What's to stop someone else from taking someone's unprotected design and make money from it?

I hate sounding negative, but I am curious...


thanks.


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The files are on my site now. All files on my site are Copyrighted automatically. I will not use any design without permission.

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I wasn't refering to you Mr.Turber. You're an honest man by all indications, I was thinking more along the lines of people who lurk on the forums, without even registering...

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Speaking for myself...
I really appreciate that they are ... copyrigted since they are on Mike' site. But, the bottom line is, I didn't come up with anything new. I just, at best, took a few design elements that I've seen before and put them together in a package that I haven't seen before, but would really like to see.

If someone wants to take that and call it their own... well, I guess they can. It isn't like I invented something. I just put a few "something's" together.
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Copyright of a PICTURE or text is automatic, but that does not protect the design or the mechanism -- only that particular image.

A design can be patented, but not if it has been previously published. It has to be NEW. Same priniciple as patenting an invention, only shorter term, and it is MUCH easier to get around a design patent with a few minor cosmetic changes.

There is a fellow from eastern Canada who attends many knife shows, copies innovative ideas, applies for patents on them, has gotten several, which he has licensed to mfrs. He then has the gall to enjoin the real inventors from 'infringing' his patents. So far, nobody that he has ripped off has kept good enough records to challenge the guy's patents.

BRL...


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There is always the "poor man's patent" (or copyright) too. Take your original drawings, date and sign them with any other information you want on them, photocopy them, then seal the originals in an envelope and mail them to yourself. While not 100% foolproof, the resulting postage cancellation stamp will "prove" the date on the designs. Extra steps would be to fill out a affidavit and have it notarized and mail that along with your designs.
 
MickMan - I suggest that you contact an attorney. There is much confusing opinion here.

Let's say you show a design on the forum. Some "lurker" sees your design.

1. Since it has been shown in "public domain", you have one year to file with the patent office of lose it. At that point it becomes public domain and anyone can use it. Including the above "lurker". He hasn't "stolen?" your design, you just "gave it away".

2. If someone does "steal" you unprotected design, and you choose to "fight" him. We are no longer in "poor man's" territory. If you didn't have the interest or the bread to protect your idea when you created it, you probably can't afford to try to "win" it back. That will cost much more $.

If you think you have a good idea(s), you are better off IMO to discuss it with some people you trust IN PRIVATE. As much fun as it might be, once you show your idea in public, it could be a race to the patent office...just to keep your own idea...no fun.

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Sal is correct.

You may want to visit the www.uspto.gov web site to get more valid info.

The poor man's patent/copyright is bull ****. Sorry guys but it does not work that way. Not anymore at least. Been there, done that.

Some people confuse patents, copyrights, and trademarks. Although there may be some similarities among these kinds of intellectual property protection, they are different and serve different purposes.

What Is a Patent?
A patent for an invention is the grant of a property right to the inventor, issued by the Patent and Trademark Office. The term of a new patent is 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States or, in special cases, from the date an earlier related application was filed, subject to the payment of maintenance fees. US patent grants are effective only within the US, US territories, and US possessions.

The right conferred by the patent grant is, in the language of the statute and of the grant itself, “the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling” the invention in the United States or “importing” the invention into the United States. What is granted is not the right to make, use, offer for sale, sell or import, but the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, selling or importing the invention.

What Is a Trademark or Servicemark?
A trademark is a word, name, symbol or device which is used in trade with goods to indicate the source of the goods and to distinguish them from the goods of others. A servicemark is the same as a trademark except that it identifies and distinguishes the source of a service rather than a product. The terms "trademark" and "mark" are commonly used to refer to both trademarks and servicemarks.

Trademark rights may be used to prevent others from using a confusingly similar mark, but not to prevent others from making the same goods or from selling the same goods or services under a clearly different mark. Trademarks which are used in interstate or foreign commerce may be registered with the Patent and Trademark Office. The registration procedure for trademarks and general information concerning trademarks is described in a separate pamphlet entitled "Basic Facts about Trademarks".

What Is a Copyright?
Copyright is a form of protection provided to the authors of “original works of authorship” including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works, both published and unpublished. The 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to reproduce the copyrighted work, to prepare derivative works, to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work, to perform the copyrighted work publicly, or to display the copyrighted work publicly.

The copyright protects the form of expression rather than the subject matter of the writing. For example, a description of a machine could be copyrighted, but this would only prevent others from copying the description; it would not prevent others from writing a description of their own or from making and using the machine. Copyrights are registered by the Copyright Office of the Library of Congress.

The patent law specifies the general field of subject matter that can be patented and the conditions under which a patent may be obtained.

In the language of the statute, any person who “invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent,” subject to the conditions and requirements of the law. The word “process” is defined by law as a process, act or method, and primarily includes industrial or technical processes. The term “machine” used in the statute needs no explanation. The term “manufacture” refers to articles which are made, and includes all manufactured articles. The term “composition of matter” relates to chemical compositions and may include mixtures of ingredients as well as new chemical compounds. These classes of subject matter taken together include practically everything which is made by man and the processes for making the products.

The Atomic Energy Act of 1954 excludes the patenting of inventions useful solely in the utilization of special nuclear material or atomic energy for atomic weapons.

The patent law specifies that the subject matter must be “useful.” The term “useful” in this connection refers to the condition that the subject matter has a useful purpose and also includes operativeness, that is, a machine which will not operate to perform the intended purpose would not be called useful, and therefore would not be granted a patent.

Interpretations of the statute by the courts have defined the limits of the field of subject matter which can be patented, thus it has been held that the laws of nature, physical phenomena and abstract ideas are not patentable subject matter.

A patent cannot be obtained upon a mere idea or suggestion. The patent is granted upon the new machine, manufacture, etc., as has been said, and not upon the idea or suggestion of the new machine. A complete description of the actual machine or other subject matter for which a patent is sought is required.

The patent laws provide for the granting of design patents to any person who has
invented any new and nonobvious ornamental design for an article of manufacture. The
design patent protects only the appearance of an article, but not its structural or
functional features. The proceedings relating to granting of design patents are the same
as those relating to other patents with a few differences. See current fee schedule for
the filing fee for a design application. A design patent has a term of 14 years from
grant, and no fees are necessary to maintain a design patent in force. If on examination
it is determined that an applicant is entitled to a design patent under the law, a notice
of allowance will be sent to the applicant or applicant’s attorney, or agent, calling
for the payment of an issue fee. The drawing of the design patent conforms to the same
rules as other drawings, but no reference characters are allowed and the drawing should
clearly depict the appearance, since the drawing defines the scope of patent protection.
The specification of a design application is short and ordinarily follows a set form. Only
one claim is permitted, following a set form.

Infringement of a patent consists of the unauthorized making, using, offering for sale or selling any patented invention within the United States or United States Territories, or importing into the United States of any patented invention during the term of the patent. If a patent is infringed, the patentee may sue for relief in the appropriate Federal court. The patentee may ask the court for an injunction to prevent the continuation of the infringement and may also ask the court for an award of damages because of the infringement. In such an infringement suit, the defendant may raise the question of the validity of the patent, which is then decided by the court. The defendant may also aver that what is being done does not constitute infringement. Infringement is determined primarily by the language of the claims of the patent and, if what the defendant is making does not fall within the language of any of the claims of the patent, there is no literal infringement.

Suits for infringement of patents follow the rules of procedure of the Federal courts. From the decision of the district court, there is an appeal to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. The Supreme Court may thereafter take a case by writ of certiorari. If the United States Government infringes a patent, the patentee has a remedy for damages in the United States Court of Federal Claims. The Government may use any patented invention without permission of the patentee, but the patentee is entitled to obtain compensation for the use by or for the Government.

The Office has no jurisdiction over questions relating to infringement of patents. In examining applications for patent, no determination is made as to whether the invention sought to be patented infringes any prior patent. An improvement invention may be patentable, but it might infringe a prior unexpired patent for the invention improved upon, if there is one.



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The Atomic Energy Act of 1954 excludes the patenting of inventions useful solely in the
utilization of special nuclear material or atomic energy for atomic weapons.


Oh darn it! Well, I'll just have to redirect my new balisong design efforts.

Actually, every US nuclear sub has a plaque which reads "Manufactured under license from Richard Feynman." Early in the development of the US atomic bomb, the energy department asked the scientists to brainstorm all the possible uses for atomic energy so that they could patent them. Feynman tossed out the idea of an atomic sub. The idea was patented but, due to a paperwork flub, Feynman never assigned the patent to the government. So, Feynman personally owned the patent for the atomic sub. The Navy bought something like one hundred license from him for $1 each plus the requirement for the plaque.

Signing and dating things, a witness signing and dating, a postmark, etc., only help establish prior art. Consider, for example, this fellow who has been patenting other people's work. If one of those people could show that they invented this idea on some date prior to his patent claim and then show that they had publically disclosed that invention (exhibited at a knive show, for example), then they could invalidate his patent. Other than freeing them, and everyone else, to use the invention without paying this jerk his fee, this would have no benefit to the person taking the action. You can't "Take" someone else's patent. You can invalidate it and then maybe try to get your own. But, if you invalidate someone else's by showing that the invention was already public knowledge, then you've sort of shot yourself in the foot in terms of getting your own.



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