Desirability: "Combat Carried" Or "Battle Worn"

VorpelSword

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Most collectable knives are closet queens. That is, to retain their desirability as a collectable they must remain pristine and as-new, often with their factory box, original paperwork and even packaging.

But what about an otherwise desirable knife from a premium maker that has been carried by a warfighter deployed on active duty,, and has a documented provenance? Is there a collector's niche for that? Outside of it becoming a family heirloom enshrined in a shadow box, what is its status with respect to desirability for others knife lovers?

Anyone here have any
 
In my opinion, it all depends on all sorts of possible factors.

First thing will be the collectors themselves, and what they personally are seeking out.
Are they looking for the item to be as close to being factory pristine as possible, or are they more likely to want some battle scars on the items they acquire? That's a big personal taste thing, and collectors come in all flavors.
One collector would love to own a battle scared Colt manufactured Thompson Submachine gun, while another collector would rather have a pristine Colt Tommy Gun still in original factory packaging.

There is also provenance... If the item was owned and used by a famous person, (in battle or otherwise), that will usually add big $ to the item. There's a German made 'Congress' pocketknife that Abraham Lincoln had in his possession when he was assassinated. It's currently housed in a National Museum, but if it were held by an individual... That person could fetch crazy $ by selling it at a reputable auction house 😲

There is also general scarcity, even sometimes rare items, which can add big $ to them. And, if rare, (or at least pretty scarce), even an item that may not be in all that great of shape, will retain some decent value, since the collector may not come across another any time soon or even ever again.
When it comes to military knives, usually a ton more wind up being issued and used, (sometimes used very little, and sometimes abused).
The ones that somehow wind up not issued, and later acquired by the civilian market, wind up being the more scarce specimens. That usually does cause them to be valued at a premium... Nature of the beast.

There is desirability... I mean, even if something is old and in nice shape, but has little collector following... It's value will usually be fairly low.

There is another big elephant in the room, which is that collector interests can wane and disappear over time.
What was collected by one or more generation of people, can become extinct as the interest for those goods may become non existent with newer generations. An example is the antique wood furniture market, and how it has dropped considerably over the past so many years. Younger folks seem to have little interest in "that stuff", so as folks pass away and leave behind their belongings... Less people will remain that desire "that stuff". Sometimes the surviving family will simply throw that stuff into the dumpster, or sell it off in bulk to an estate buyer. But, with the desire for such goods having waned so much, it may eventually wind up being sold at the local flea markets at a fraction of what they once cost. The "old stuff" is just not seen the same way by most of the current crop of younger folks... They are bringing in a new era of big change from what may have been the norm.
Same with Silverware... Most new generations don't want it, and are likely to just sell their inherited pieces off as scrap silver metal that gets melted down for cash.
In other words, while something may have been collectable to one or more generations of people, it only takes one upcoming generation to pretty much squash that tradition of collecting them.

There are so many more variables to consider, and so it can be a complicated thing overall.

Hope I've explained my position halfway decently 🙂
 
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Wether monetary value is increased or not, historical value is increased by documentation.

Every effort should be made to document these items role in our history.

We’ve all seen beat up knives and thought if only it could talk. Reality is it would probably talk about BoyScout jamborees and fishing/hunting trips. Lol.
 
also depends on folks views of 'warfighters' at the time. Returned veterans are enjoying a lot of popularity the last decade or two, but this is not always the case. A vietnam vet once had to withstand public scorn. Korean vets for a while would have welcomed scorn, or anything that acknoweldged they even existed. Try and sell a warfighters knife 10 years after either of those conflicts for a premium, you might as well have kept it in your boat as a cheap fishing knife. The mob can be fickle.
 
That niche certainly exists. In fact, there is a facebook group that only allows users to share their knives that have BEEN used/carried in combat and nothing else(thus, I haven't been able to share any of mine). Seach for "Classic Military Fighting Knives".
 
In my opinion, it all depends on all sorts of possible factors.

First thing will be the collectors themselves, and what they personally are seeking out.
Are they looking for the item to be as close to being factory pristine as possible, or are they more likely to want some battle scars on the items they acquire? That's a big personal taste thing, and collectors come in all flavors.
One collector would love to own a battle scared Colt manufactured Thompson Submachine gun, while another collector would rather have a pristine Colt Tommy Gun still in original factory packaging.

There is also provenance... If the item was owned and used by a famous person, (in battle or otherwise), that will usually add big $ to the item. There's a German made 'Congress' pocketknife that Abraham Lincoln had in his possession when he was assassinated. It's currently housed in a National Museum, but if it were held by an individual... That person could fetch crazy $ by selling it at a reputable auction house 😲

There is also general scarcity, even sometimes rare items, which can add big $ to them. And, if rare, (or at least pretty scarce), even an item that may not be in all that great of shape, will retain some decent value, since the collector may not come across another any time soon or even ever again.
When it comes to military knives, usually a ton more wind up being issued and used, sometimes very little, and sometimes abused), by the soldiers.
The ones that somehow wind up not issued, and later acquired by the civilian market, wind up being the more scarce specimens. That usually does cause them to be valued at a premium... Nature of the beast.

There is desirability... I mean, even if something is old and in nice shape, but has little collector following... It's value will usually be fairly low.

There is another big elephant in the room, which is that collector interests can wane and disappear over time.
What was collected by one or more generation of people, can become extinct as the interest for those goods may become non existent with newer generations. An example is the antique wood furniture market, and how it has dropped considerably over the past so many years. Younger folks seem to have little interest in "that stuff", so as folks pass away and leave behind their belongings... Less people will remain that desire "that stuff". Sometimes the surviving family will simply throw that stuff into the dumpster, or sell it off in bulk to an estate buyer. But, with the desire for such goods having waned so much, it may eventually wind up being sold at the local flea markets at a fraction of what they once cost. The "old stuff" is just not seen the same way by most of the current crop of younger folks... They are bringing in a new era of big change from what may have been the norm.
Same with Silverware... Most new generations don't want it, and are likely to just sell their inherited pieces off as scrap silver metal that gets melted down for cash.
In other words, while something may have been collectable to one or more generations of people, it only takes one upcoming generation to pretty much squash that tradition of collecting them.

There are so many more variables to consider, and so it can be a complicated thing overall.

Hope I've explained my position halfway decently 🙂
What an excellent post about the nature of collecting.
A shame about the wooden furniture. That is about the one single thing I have from generations past - large, beautiful wooden cabinets and furniture, and only have about half of what I was supposed to have. Could not imagine downgrading to fiber-board China furniture like I see in some stores nowadays.
 
At the knife show I was at last weekend a average condition WWII m4 bayonet was going for $220. A regular fixed blade in that condition might go for $5.
 
I was thankful that he could come home with it . . .or without the knife.
The knife was a tool to help him get home…

As for collector value, I believe that the longer since the conflict, the more valuable it’s artifacts, all else being equal.
 
In my opinion, it all depends on all sorts of possible factors.

First thing will be the collectors themselves, and what they personally are seeking out.
Are they looking for the item to be as close to being factory pristine as possible, or are they more likely to want some battle scars on the items they acquire? That's a big personal taste thing, and collectors come in all flavors.
One collector would love to own a battle scared Colt manufactured Thompson Submachine gun, while another collector would rather have a pristine Colt Tommy Gun still in original factory packaging.

There is also provenance... If the item was owned and used by a famous person, (in battle or otherwise), that will usually add big $ to the item. There's a German made 'Congress' pocketknife that Abraham Lincoln had in his possession when he was assassinated. It's currently housed in a National Museum, but if it were held by an individual... That person could fetch crazy $ by selling it at a reputable auction house 😲

There is also general scarcity, even sometimes rare items, which can add big $ to them. And, if rare, (or at least pretty scarce), even an item that may not be in all that great of shape, will retain some decent value, since the collector may not come across another any time soon or even ever again.
When it comes to military knives, usually a ton more wind up being issued and used, (sometimes used very little, and sometimes abused).
The ones that somehow wind up not issued, and later acquired by the civilian market, wind up being the more scarce specimens. That usually does cause them to be valued at a premium... Nature of the beast.

There is desirability... I mean, even if something is old and in nice shape, but has little collector following... It's value will usually be fairly low.

There is another big elephant in the room, which is that collector interests can wane and disappear over time.
What was collected by one or more generation of people, can become extinct as the interest for those goods may become non existent with newer generations. An example is the antique wood furniture market, and how it has dropped considerably over the past so many years. Younger folks seem to have little interest in "that stuff", so as folks pass away and leave behind their belongings... Less people will remain that desire "that stuff". Sometimes the surviving family will simply throw that stuff into the dumpster, or sell it off in bulk to an estate buyer. But, with the desire for such goods having waned so much, it may eventually wind up being sold at the local flea markets at a fraction of what they once cost. The "old stuff" is just not seen the same way by most of the current crop of younger folks... They are bringing in a new era of big change from what may have been the norm.
Same with Silverware... Most new generations don't want it, and are likely to just sell their inherited pieces off as scrap silver metal that gets melted down for cash.
In other words, while something may have been collectable to one or more generations of people, it only takes one upcoming generation to pretty much squash that tradition of collecting them.

There are so many more variables to consider, and so it can be a complicated thing overall.

Hope I've explained my position halfway decently 🙂
Great post. These things do tend to be cyclical. I suspect that eventually people will again value quality furniture and that there will be that much less of it.
 
Thanks for the enjoyable and entertaining thread. Food for thought, surely. Nice Ka-Bar. Until my latest, that and other iterations of the Immortal Ka-Bar have always been on or near for more than fifty years. Fabulous knife, great company. TOPS is now my current favorite. Don’t think I’ll last another fifty-plus years to compare. At 73, that’d really being pushing the “wish” envelope…

Hanger queens are best for those in need, trading, or spare parts. Otherwise, they take up space. I’ve never been into “collectibles,” never had too many things that weren’t eventually superseded by technology. I’ve had friends over the years that were collectors, but they made sure that what they had was proven by them, and kept in immaculate condition- always ready- like they were.

All the Best…
 
I still have my Gerber Folding Hunter that I bought in 1984 when I was in the Navy. It saw a lot of use for several years. No wars though. It probably isn't worth much monetarily, but the sentimental value is a lot to me.
 
It depends why something is collectible in the first place. Antiques are collectible because of their age and relative scarcity. An M4 bayonet from 1944-45 will be collectible whether it's been used or not. For a modern knife, unless it is a particularly sought-after or otherwise rare/unavailable model, hard use will likely hurt the price someone is willing to pay.
 
As someone who has served 21 yrs active and then gov't stuff, I would feel weird claiming that a knife or watch I used had a combat association. Just not something I would do. And how could I prove that a knife I had was used during a certain tour - DD 214's don't specify personal belongings. Hard pass from me.
 
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