Thank you very much gentlemen. I am re profiling, rather fixing a re-profile I started to do on my OutCast. As Roger999 suggested when it is not cutting aggressively I hit the hone with some warm water and toothbrush, a drop of dish soap really gets her clean. Pat dry oil, and back to work. This is going so much better than with the stones. The D2 steel was eating the stones up and it is apparent I allowed the coarse stone to wear to much before leveling it back out. Bad dumb, no down right stupid error. Making the edge a bit finer than I originally intended at 22 degrees instead of the 30 degrees I planned on but I think this will work fine. The Outcast should be able to chop hack all day and hold that edge just fine. We'll see, I'll post a review once I getter done. Thanks for the assist