Diamond Sharpening Pads: How Good Are They?

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I have a few of these but have never tried them on a good
knife. Are they suitable for a good knife or do they fall into
the carbide sharpener category?

Thanks!
 
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i have used different types of sharpeners and i think traditional Japanese water stone is still the best. Diamond sharpeners is something that's used for emergencies only, and wears away pretty quick as well. The diamond sharpener I've used is Smith's and after 20 sharpenings the surface became smooth and not as abrasive like new. I have an old lansky diamond that's pretty much the same. Overall, diamond sharperners are pretty crappy.
 
Nimravus,

All due respect but your generalizing based on your experiences with the bottom of the diamond stone barrel. Try DMT or EZE Lapp diamond stones! They are absolutely superb and will last a very long time (Especially DMT).

Confederate, you will very much appreciate diamond stones regardless of the quality of your knife. It excels on very hard RC blades. Diamond stones also do not dish the way that many other oil/water stones will ... many people particularly like diamond stones ability to remove large amounts of steel with larger grit diamond stones which allow rebeveling (changing the edge profile) quickly.

NJ
 
Native,

From your experience, about how many sharpenings will DMT last before you feel it smoothing out? Do you have Smith's or Lansky's, how much better, longer lasting will DMT be?
 
The diamond stones will last nearly forever, just be sure you wash them off after a few uses, they smooth out, but still cut fine, since they don't wear diamond off they last as long as the substrate.
 
I use DMT hones quite a bit in my restoration work. They wear out pretty quickly. They still cut, but not nearly as aggressively.
Diamond hones are not as smooth as other stones, but cut very hard metals better.
Bill
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For hogging metal it is hard to beat a DMT XXC 120 grit diasharp plate. They rip throuh steel faster than anything but power tools (good for flattening waterstones too). Follow that with a XC or coarse plate if you like.

These leave some pretty deep scratches so you'll need something like a Bester 500 or 700 grit waterstone to grind out the scratches. These cut very fast, soak up water quickly and are very hard so they dish very slowly. I like the Bester 700 even better than the Shapton 1k, but give it a rub on the sidewalk or DMT plate before using it to make sure it is flat and to break the surface glaze (maybe a smooth crust from the mold, firing glaze or something, but whatever it is is hard and makes the initial lapping difficult, but after that the stone handles just great).

If you want to add something between the diamond plates and the Bester, the Arato Kimi 220 grit pink brick is good (sold by Japan Woodworker or Epicurian Edge... these are huge 2" thick light pink waterstones that do wear, but more slowly than other 220 waterstones I've tried, and they are huge anyway. They leave an even surface that looks more like 400 grit finish (I'm told that King makes a similar green brick that you can usually find at one of the woodworking supply stores).

Cheap diamond plates loose their grit so aren't worth buying so I stick with DMT and EZe-Lap, which actually have diamonds embeded inside the top layer of metal rather than just bonded to the surface like the cheap stones (tried a Smith plate once... it was better than the cheapies but still didn't seem to last very well. I have not tried the 3M or Norton plates, but I would think they would be pretty good too).

Diamond plates are actually overly agressive and act like they are coarser than they should be when they are new (the plate has no give to it so is pretty scratchy until you wear the high riding diamonds down level with the rest of them... then it will seem to cut more slowly but will act like the grit they are supposed to be and produce a better, more even finish). When it finally seems worn out, you can sometimes refresh them by lapping a waterstone on it (will grind down the metal to expose any diamonds embeded below the surface)... something you can't do with the cheap plates that only have diamonds on the surface.

I love the XXC, XC and Coarse plates but am not so crazy about the fine ones... even after you break them in there are still a few high-riding stragglers that leave some deep scratches in an otherwise smooth surface. Which, is where the Pink Brick and Bester's come in (they leave a coarse but very even finish with no random deep scratches).

Follow the Bester 700 with a 2,000 grit Shapton pro (there is a Shapton 2k glass-stone and Bester also makes a 2k stone... other people really like these, but I haven't personally tried them since I was already happy with my "Pro" stone) and you get a nice smooth satin finish with just enough tooth to make a nice slicer. It is also fine enough that it is almost trivial to get push-cut edges and a mirror finish when followed by 4k and 8k stones.
 
Diamond plates are actually overly agressive and act like they are coarser than they should be when they are new (the plate has no give to it so is pretty scratchy until you wear the high riding diamonds down level with the rest of them... then it will seem to cut more slowly but will act like the grit they are supposed to be and produce a better, more even finish). When it finally seems worn out, you can sometimes refresh them by lapping a waterstone on it (will grind down the metal to expose any diamonds embeded below the surface)... something you can't do with the cheap plates that only have diamonds on the surface.

I love the XXC, XC and Coarse plates but am not so crazy about the fine ones... even after you break them in there are still a few high-riding stragglers that leave some deep scratches in an otherwise smooth surface. Which, is where the Pink Brick and Bester's come in (they leave a coarse but very even finish with no random deep scratches).

I only have experience with DMT stones and they are hyper aggressive at first. Particularly on the coarse stone, it feels like the diamonds are pulling metal out of the blade surface. This goes away with a little more than a few uses and the stone begins to work properly, not slower like has been suggested. Like Uzaha said DMT designs the stone to work optimumly after it has been broken in and as long as you don't bear down, you won't be able to wear one out for quite some time. Because it is diamonds doing the cutting, what feels like a smoother surface will still be more effective than a regular stone. I do notice that they need to be cleaned often and I believe this is because the surface is not porous (I don't know how to spell porous). I have just been cleaning mine with dawn and a fingernail brush, but I understand that Commet and a scouring pad is better, or rust cutter and a scouring pad.

Now with that said, I was under the impression you were talking about diamond coated sheets of "sandpaper" in the ultra high grits. I saw some at a woodworkers store.
 
Native,

From your experience, about how many sharpenings will DMT last before you feel it smoothing out? Do you have Smith's or Lansky's, how much better, longer lasting will DMT be?

I have both the Smith and the Lansky systems. Their ok but not intended for very heavy use and wear out quickly. I've had a DMT Diasharp C/F, and a 6" XC for well over 6-8 months and use them rather hard. Mine still cut consistant with their grit. When new, they cut more aggressively than their grit but settle in after a few sharpenings. They are easily worth their cost and should last quite some time if you allow the diamonds to do the cutting for you (alot of people bear down much too hard on the stones and contribute to the premature wear of the stones).

NJ
 
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