Did I hear this right? "Army drops Bayonets in Training Revamp"!!!

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They exchange bayonet training for core muscle training because:
"They also want to toughen recruits who are often more familiar with Facebook than fistfights. "

I don't think a modern Soldier even has or at least uses his bajonet for fighting.
So in my opinion it is a smart move, even decades to late.
 
1995 -2001 active duty Army and I never even touched one... not even in basic. I was a comms guy but still...

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the kid said:
They exchange bayonet training for core muscle training because:
"They also want to toughen recruits who are often more familiar with Facebook than fistfights. "

I don't think a modern Soldier even has or at least uses his bajonet for fighting.
So in my opinion it is a smart move, even decades to late.
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"The Kid" is certainly an accurate name for you. I had to look at your profile to see that you were 33 instead of 13 for making such a inexperienced comment. Its obvious you've never been in a real fight.

The can improve core muscle training without dropping bayonet training. Don't make the mistake of thinking they're related.
 
this sort of reminds me of when the air force thought they only needed missles in their aircraft, until vietnam, i say keep the bayonet in the training, it is something the soldier can fall back on in a pinch.
 
gundude73 said:
this sort of reminds me of when the air force thought they only needed missles in their aircraft, until vietnam, i say keep the bayonet in the training, it is something the soldier can fall back on in a pinch.
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I was just thinking that. Even the F-22 Raptor had a cannon on it, and it can shoot down targets with missles with 99.99% accuracy. (I'm just guessing on the percentages.)
 
thompsonblades said:
"The Kid" is certainly an accurate name for you. I had to look at your profile to see that you were 33 instead of 13 for making such a inexperienced comment. Its obvious you've never been in a real fight.

The can improve core muscle training without dropping bayonet training. Don't make the mistake of thinking they're related.
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What the hell are you blabbering about.
I don't have experience with the army or a lot with fighting but I don't see what age has to do with that. :rolleyes:

I don't think they are related at all.
But if they want to add muscle training, it's pretty logical they want to drop something else.

And I can imagine a bayonet not being used by a modern soldier, so therefore it makes sense to drop that instead of something else.
 
The army showing some forward thinking for once. Bayonets see as much battlefield action these days as samurai swords.
 
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Hmmm that must be a very hard decision for whoever is in charge. Adding core strength is always a good idea as you work your core in EVERY movement you make (except typing on the keyboard). However I sure wouldn't want to be the guy who stopped the use of bayonets only to learn that two weeks later a soldiers M4 carbine jammed and didn't have time to grab his holsterd side arm and was stabbed to death. I know, I know, all soldiers carry a sidearm and a knife but in a very bad close combat situation I can really see how the bayonet will help keep a person alive or if nothing else keep their confidence up.
 
Not having served, my opinion on the matter doesn't really carry any weight and is pretty worthless, tbqh.
 
thompsonblades said:
Been to many battlefields have you? Survived many tours of duty? (In the real world. Video games don't count.)
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Are you always such a momentous ass to anyone who disagrees with you? When you're acting like such an immature, condescending tool, I wonder where you get off on bashing someone for having the name "the kid".


I have no real opinion one way or other other - I do find the discussion interesting, and plan to ask about it the next time I get together with a couple of friends who served in Iraq. But I bet they won't be complete dicks to anyone who has a different opinion than them :rolleyes:
 
How about the Army just drop bayonet training and replace it with hand-to-hand knife combat training?

Lets be real, no one is going to attach bayonets in the field. There is the possibility, however, that a soldier may have to use his knife in a very tight spot (ie. ambush). I think close quarters knife combat would be a very useful skill to have. That's why Special Forces learn it. ;)
 
MustardMan said:
Are you always such a momentous ass to anyone who disagrees with you? When you're acting like such an immature, condescending tool, I wonder where you get off on bashing someone for having the name "the kid".
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I agree, looking for some way to -rep this guy or something.
 
thompsonblades said:
Been to many battlefields have you? Survived many tours of duty? (In the real world. Video games don't count.)
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If he hasn't, I have and he's absolutely right.

Also (excluding special forces and some scout platoons) very few soldiers are allowed side arms. Officers, 1SG's and CSM's, mp's, some medics and occasionally gunners are the only ones i can think of off hand and even then its almost always an either or choice, ie you either have an M4/M249/shotgun or a 9mm not both.

Anyways back to the topic, I think its a smart move on the army's part and it should be noted that every soldier does at least get one or more multitool plus whatever knives/gear/whatever their company supply or battalion s4 decide to purchase and hand out. In other words, the army is simply recognizing that while soldiers continue to need knives for utilitarian purposes, they no longer require them as weapons.
 
Was just reading about a Dutch army group (not special forces) getting their fixed blade back as standard equipment. It can also be used as a bayonet with one simple click on the rifle.

They do not get any bayonet or knife training but it is used for breaking open doors and windows.

Also of some interest is they ditched the bayonet and training in the Seventies, at least for regular army.
Don't know about special forces groups.

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Just occured to me.
I read on this forum an American soldier does not get a fixed blade issued.
What's the point in having bayonet training if they don't have a bayonet?
 
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