Did I ruined Spyderco BD1N heat treat

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About a month ago, I had some spare dry ice after heat treat some stainless steel. Then I remembered that I had disassembled a Spyderco Para 3 LW in BD1N steel, and I haven't assemble it yet. I know that sub-zero treating stainless steel before tempering will (usually) increase the hardness about 1HRC. But I could not find any information regarding sub zero AFTER tempering. So out of curiousity, I throw the blade in for an hour to see what happens.

I find that after that little testing, it's much, much harder to sharpen the knife to a sharp edge. Not in a sense that it's more abrasion resistant: comparing with 420HC, D2 and M390, it's about as abrasion resistant as 420HC, a bit less than D2 and much less than M390. I just can't sharpen it to a sharp edge.

I follow all the sharpening steps: forming the burr on one side, apexing, de-burr. But still dull.

Maybe my sharpening is off, so I tried and sharpen other knives, but they get sharp, just as usuall, so it's not my sharpening.

I remembered that Outdoors55 once said something along the line of : poorly heat treated steel can't hold a edge, it'll crumble under it's own weight. Is this what happened to my BD1N?
 
I suspect it is something in your sharpening technique. Cooling to -100°F long after it has been hardened and tempered should do nothing to change the blade.

I suspect you are sharpening at the wrong angle and too fine a grit, and the wire is still there. Try sharpening it on a coarse stone at 20DPS, then again on a medium grit (220 to 400 range) Make the burr, flip over to the other side and bring up the burr again, then strop off the burr with a charged leather strop board. For the type knife you have this should be an aggressive cutting edge.
 
Thanks Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith , if the issue is my sharpening skill, then it's fixable. Can't image having to re-heat treat, re-finish, re-fit the whole blade.

I always thought that since cryo treatment transform retained austenite to martensite, if you don't perform cryo, those R.A just sits around waiting to one day be transformed.
 
Thanks Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith , if the issue is my sharpening skill, then it's fixable. Can't image having to re-heat treat, re-finish, re-fit the whole blade.

I always thought that since cryo treatment transform retained austenite to martensite, if you don't perform cryo, those R.A just sits around waiting to one day be transformed.
Nah, the RA stabilizes.

Austenitizing temperature and continuous cooling are the more significant factors to how much RA is in the final product.

Two years ago I did a test out of curiosity on a 8cr13mov Spyderco, no change in hardness using -310°F
 
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