Difference in backsprings

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On some of my OT's I noticed that on my carbon old timer it has stainless backsprings but on my SS OT it has carbon backsprings....any reason for this?

Also Just a quick question, I have a slipjoint where one the the pins that hold the scale on is not seated in the brass liner and it's lifted a lil bit (the handle). To fix the pin would I just tap it back in with a nail set or something like that and a small hammer?

Thanks,
David
Check out my webpage at:
http://members.aol.com/ColonialKnifeFan/
 
David,
Nice job on the web page.
I like the reviews, interview and the catalog.
Thanks
Larry
 
David, if I had to take a guess, I would say that those mix-n-match knives were last gasp assemblies. They were thinking "units out the door" at that time and not much thought was given to reputation, quality, or tradition. That is my guess anyway.

Codger

BTW, nice website!
 
Thanks for the thoughts on my website, alot is going into it...tommorow I am putting up a 2001 retail price list and scans of the letters people recieve when they get thier "free knife" what they looked like in 01 and now in 05, going to add as much historical info to this site as I can as well as new stuff that comes along the way. I am by no means a website guy and I am still learning some of the tweaking, but looks better the more I add and mess with the code.

As for that backsprings, I would think the same thing, but the one with stainless springs is from the 70's and the one with carbon springs is from 04. One is a 33OT and the other a 34OT, just a mystery and thought you guys might know the answer...I kinda like the carbon springs with the stainless blades, looks cool. Both my TRT and Birchwood stockman have carbon.


David
ColonialKnifeFan's Knife Reviews
 
Is the "free knife" worth the effort or is it just cheap stuff? My intent is not to insult, but "free" usually has a catch...
 
Well in the old days of Colonial, free did indeed mean free. But since the production and quality of the knives they now produce and the over whelming response to those who wish to recieve a free knife they have included a Shipping and Handling charge of ummm I think $7.00 or so. In most cases they are sending the 303-B or the 303-W Lockback (in either Cocobolo or Jigged bone). So for $7 your really getting your money's worth, thier retail for this knife as you can see from my website is way above the nominal price you would pay for the shipping. If Colonial was still making the knives they use to make it wouldn't be worth it, but now it definatly is and it gets you a chance to see what Colonial is making these days without taking the full plunge of a blind purchase (buying before you see the quality of a product a company makes).

As I put in my Q&A with Steve P. Colonial Knife Company, the original one that made the crappy knives died back in '02 or so, and Colonial Cutlery was one of the local contenders that was also producing slipjoints and knives at the time. So Colonial Cutlery I gather bought the name and such for "CKC" and now they use the name (all thier logos and such say Colonial Knife Company "A division of CCI".....colonial cutlery) And with the market like it is with the flood of chinese and knock offs like those they wanted to distance themselves with that style and quality that they were known for and be know for truely great quality, sort of like saying...this is american made, and proud of it. Least I would like to think so.

Anyways, ummm if you do a search on here for Colonial Knife in the forums here you will see alot about what has been talked about them as of recent and get a feel and thought for yourself if the S&H is worth it. I own two thier knives, one I recived as the "free knife" and I carry it every day, it's faithfull and holds and edge great.

David
 
David, I like your website. Very good.

I recently sold a bunch of the older Colonials that I'd bought in bulk. Pre-2002, I guess, with 'Ranger', 'Anvil', and 'Old Cutler' markings. Even a few of the little bowling pin knives. Servicable knives, a step or two down from Schrade of course, but they sold for much less. Here's some I've recently sold, unreal, there is a market for these, guys that recall the Colonials they had as kids.

Phil
 

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Phil, I think you hit the thumb on the nail there. Some of the things I have kept and reacquired over the years had some special meaning in my youth. A few crackerjack prizes, an RC Cola top, a wooden checker, and a few cat's eye marbles.

The pressed tin capgun from Japan doesn't look like much now, but when I was four, a huge in my hand dime would buy me one with a whole box of caps. I fianlly saved enough dimes for a dollar cast metal spud gun that shot plugs of potato.

I have some dime and twelve cent comics, including Gene Autry, and my old Gene Autry wristwatch. And two colonial knives. We called them penny knives, but they cost a lot more. They were very cheaply made, and cheaply sold. A few weeks savings of coke bottle deposits would buy one. But to a kid, it was a real knife. And it would last as long as a kid could keep from loosing it, or abusing it. I have a circa 1965 #2644 jack knife with reddish brown plastic scales that is as cheap as they came. Millions were produced and sold into candy tobacco stores. Suggested retail $4.99. I also have a later (early 1970s until 2002) 1200 forest master which is the Colonial equivilent to a Camp King right down to the bail. Suggested retail was $14.00.

None of this stuff is monetarily worth a hoot in a whirlwind, but it has value in evoking memories. Treasures stashed in a Muriel cigar box in the secret place in your room.

One thing I find most interesting about the Schrade meltdown/buyout and the quieter demise and reopening of Colonial is that Schrade, known to concentrate on American fine crafted knives, is being remarketed with cheaper overseas made products. Colonial, forced out by the exact same circumstances (and the same people it is rumored) was making cheap knives, but under reorganization is now going to produce hand made quality domestic knives. Role reversal big time. Of those two companies, which do you think had the NRA contract for years? Which one has it now? ;)

Codger
 
ColonialKnifeFan said:
On some of my OT's I noticed that on my carbon old timer it has stainless backsprings but on my SS OT it has carbon backsprings....any reason for this?

I can't remember which ones I was looking at, but I remember noticing this too. Backwards.
 
ColonialKnifeFan said:
In most cases they are sending the 303-B or the 303-W Lockback (in either Cocobolo or Jigged bone).

My free Colonial knife, no shipping charge, was a total POS. It was a ripoff of some maker's design, the stop pin was defective, the blade smashed into the spacers, and the ball detent wanted to push the blade tip outside of the handle. It was a dull, dangerous piece of garbage.
 
David,sounds like the pin needs to be replaced in order for the scale to stay in place.
Also, we sent out one of our L303 NRA knives for you to look at.
Best Regards,
Steve
Colonial Knife
 
That was hard to read, I have been absent for some time and just now decided to jump on to see what was going on on. I'm sorry to hear that Carl64 was not happy. Call me cell: 401-527-5372 or e-mail me back so that I can fix the problem or at least me the opportunity to make things right. Most of the guys on this site know why I used the cheap import knife and I appoligized but to not have somone happy with Colonial is sad and I want to make things right. What will it take.
Steve
Colonial
 
Ted, Free is just our way of saying thanks fortaking the time to fill out our question form. We now have to charge $7.50 for shipping since it was costing us a small fortune to send out free knives. We also ended the cheap china knife for a higher quallity just so we could end all these problems.
Steve Paolantonio
Colonial Knife
 
Steve,

You talking about the pin on the trapper I reviewed? I fixed that myself, I just set it into the handle a little better no worries :) Just wan't tapped in enough is all. I sorta have the 303 NRA knife, my 303 has the cocobolo handles and a nra shield but no blade etc, the colonail shiel is much nicer :D

Thanks for comming back and joining us, we're always glad to have you here

David
 
stvep780 said:
That was hard to read, I have been absent for some time and just now decided to jump on to see what was going on on. I'm sorry to hear that Carl64 was not happy. Call me cell: 401-527-5372 or e-mail me back so that I can fix the problem or at least me the opportunity to make things right. Most of the guys on this site know why I used the cheap import knife and I appoligized but to not have somone happy with Colonial is sad and I want to make things right. What will it take.
Steve
Colonial

Sorry if I sounded angry about it. The fact that you are here talking to customers gives you and your company major points. I completely understand if a promo knife is just a low cost item. The one I got was probably just a lemon. It has already been discarded. I sent an e-mail asking some questions about the knife and detailing the problems with it, but received no reply. I don't know where to start, as I have both specific and general questions, so I will just ramble off my thoughts.

I am not sure what the relationship is between Colonial Cutlery and Colonial Knife Company, so I don't know if all of my questions are for you or if you only work within the part that does the "good" knives or what. Is it all one in the same, just different brands, or are they seperately operated?

What does Colonial do in the US? Are only raw materials imported, are all finished parts imported and assembled here, or something in between?

The first question I had after examining the knife was if it was just a cheap item for the promo, or part of Colonial's regular lineup. Previous discussion here made me think it was just a cheap knife that had nothing to do with Colonial, just a free knife for the promo, but the knife I received looks like this one:
http://www.colonialcutlery.com/modelg100.htm
http://www.colonialcutlery.com/hightech.htm

Is this one that was used for a free knife, or just the same design as one of the cheaper free knives by chance? The description for the "high tech" knives says ats34, but if it was it wasn't very hard.

I noticed it did not look like an original design. It is obviously the same design as Tom Anderson's "Wolf Pup":
http://www.bladeart.com/artists/tom_anderson/tom_anderson.htm
I have seen Tom Anderson's name attached to cheap knives before, but the knife I received did not say.

I saw that the free knife is now the LK95, which looks like an old Bucklite. I don't know when Buck last made that model, maybe it has been long enough that nobody cares.

If the "colonial cutlery" end is just there to stamp logos on cheap knives I guess that doesn't bother me. I am more concerned with the knives not being original designs. I suppose if there were a good reason why those specific design were considered fair game it would be OK. If they got through because someone at Colonial called an importer and said "quick, give us a whole pile of knives ASAP," it is also different than if they are knives regularly sold as Colonial products.

Is the LK95 imported as a finished product, or actually made by Colonial?

I ask these questions here because I would like comments from both you and others.
add-on: I am very much interested in knowing if others here don't think this is such a big deal, or if the designs mentioned are no longer considered unique to another company/maker.
 
Wow I see that some of our more enthusiastic contribututor members have prevailed upon some important well known people from Colonial knife to stop in. It is nice to see such an interest being shown. Perhapes Schrade would still be in Ellenville if they would have done the same thing.

In any event the reason I am writing this is since you are here perhapes I might be able to get a job. Now while I do not know much about knives I do have one thing in my favor. I have my own Ambassador Colonial salesmans case complete with samples, of which I am posting a few pics. I hope you enjoy the pictures.

Carl 64 I must say you ask some dandy questions. However you have to say this at least these people are talking to us and they should know that It is appreciated.

PS. Just kidding about the job the doctors here in the institution say I should not be around anything sharp. LT
 
I'm just no longer even surprised at what ya can come up with, LT. I'm always pleased to see the stuff, but not at all amazed that you have it.

Phil
 
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