Disaster Life Support

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Disaster Life Support

How many of you have taken that course? There are a series, Basic, Advanced, and instructor. I thought it was helpful. It is really about what to do when needs outweigh supplies. They discuss things such as basic individual supplies /BOB and how to handle mass casualties and casualties under limited supply circumstances. I encourage any of you first aid/first responders/LEOs/FireFighters, etc... to look into taking it.


edited 18 June: It is not a course to train you how to escape and hide in the wilderness... It is life "SUPPORT"....not escape.
 
Not completely in line with that I have been thinking more and more about what to do when things go wrong for me or who I,m with . I,ve taken a first aid course . I still don,t feel prepared for a true emergency .
 
Hey lizard nice to hear from you! I was an EMT for 18 years and still try to keep my skills up and this course sounds like it is up my alley. Any more info?

What do you think of the Hemcon dressings? Pricey, worth carrying?
 
I am an active EMT-D for over 4 years with a wilderness EMT certification also for several years as well. I would suggest taking Wilderness first aid or wilderness first responder class or go for the full enchilada and get an EMT certification. It is geared for medical emergencies that are more than a hour from definitive care. If you actually get a First responder or EMT certification then consider volunteering at you local fire or ambulance corp. The honest truth is that taking a class isn't going to make you competent. Actually, join the department first and they will pay to have you trained. This is one of the best IMHO SOLO School but there are others that are good like WMS and NOLS. I'd be interested in hearing more about the Disaster Life support course also.

I have considered the HEMCon dressing but don't really think they are worth it. Most bleeding can be controlled with proper wound handling. The military has very specific needs that would require that kind of treatment. Remember a single medic may not be able to spend 10 to 20 minutes trying to control bleeding on one patient. He may have several patients at the same time with serious bleeding problems that need to be stopped in minutes. Most non-combat and combat wounds, including partial and full amputations the bleeding can be stopped or controlled by standard methods. Hopefully there may be some combat medics that can discuss this. There is little doubt that this stuff works. My understanding is that wound debridement after is a nightmare. Of course that still beats being dead.

KR
 
Kevin the grey said:
Not completely in line with that I have been thinking more and more about what to do when things go wrong for me or who I,m with . I,ve taken a first aid course . I still don,t feel prepared for a true emergency .

No one is ever really prepared for a sudden disaster or emergency. Ever since the Y2K fraud, I was preparing for the worst if it ever came. I had stored up supplies of all kinds. None of it was really any help when Hurricane Katrina hit. I didn't have enough water, candles, or the big G. GASOLINE. I quickly found that I hadn't prepared as much as I thought. In fact, all of my supplies were in my house which went under water.
:o :o :o
 
2dogs said:
Ranger your post was intriguing. Could you elaborate?

I was just trying to make the point that one cant really know beyond a doubt what he will need to survive a disaster untill the disaster comes. Everything I thought I would need, in all my planing, didn't really help that much, mostly because most of it was destoryed by the storm. I had to evacuate and leave it behind. after the storm I realized that What I really needed was lots of candles, cause batteries wont last. I didn't have enough water, or gas for my car. There was plenty of gas around, but no electricity to pump it. After all of my planing, I still had to depend on relief supplies. Thankfully there was plenty of them around, tons in fact. MRE's were raining out of the sky, but that may not always be the case.

Here's a tip. If your are stocking up MRE's, make sure to stock up a little Phillips Milk of Magnesia. No Joke. MRE's are good, but they have no exit stratagy. You'll thank me for this advise.
 
Ranger88, I think you've got a point about not knowing exactly what you'll need for a disaster until the disaster comes--but I'd add that, in my experience, it's not absolute--and your experience from Katrina has given you a lot more information now about how and what to prepare than you had before.

I had a similar--but much milder--experience when 2 tornadoes tore through Nashville, where I was living at the time. All sorts of trees down across roads and power lines; we were without power for days; candles and batteries flew off the shelves, etc. But I learned from that, and now keep large quantities of each on hand. Not enough to last for more than a week, but my likeliest survival scenarios are such that a week's worth of batteries should see me through "stage one" of the likelier situations. Part of it is just realistically looking at where you are, and what kinds of disasters are likeliest there, and what their ramifications will be. If you live below Lake Pontchartrain levels in New Orleans--well, we all know what that town's likeliest disaster looks like now. If you live in Manhattan, you probably have to think about terrorism, and creative exit strategies in case you end up with millions of other people stuck on a little concrete island with no means of making food. If you live in the desert, give thought to water. That kind of stuff. Your experience with your survival gear 30 feet underwater was doubtless frustrating as Hell, but at this point, you are an official disaster veteran, and I think you're realistically much better-equipped to prepare than you were last time around. Me, I keep redundant kits of varying levels at home, in my car, in my wife's vehicle, at the office, and in my briefcase. The office kit is pretty minimal--fanny pack and a few full canteens. Car kit is more involved--rucksack with canteens, water purifier, food supplies, cooking gear, change of clothes, tent, sleeping bag--stuff like that. Home kit is the most involved of all, with frame backpack, lots of gear for different scenarios. I'm putting together an extremely-minimalist belt-pack kit for the little day-hikes that my search-and-rescue-expert acquaintances have informed me bring about the great majority of real-world "survival situations." It would be hard for my town to suffer a disaster that would render all of these inaccessible at the same time, unless I myself were incapacitated.

Incidentally, used to be an EMT myself, and I think the advice above is great. The one disappointment I had with my classes was that most were geared toward stabilizing patients until you could get them into an ambulance and to a hospital, and the assumption was that ambulances and hospitals and oxygen tanks would be easy to come by. In practice, most of my EMT work ended up going on way the heck out in the desert or forest, and I could've used a lot more training on things like what to do if you're five days or 30 miles from hospital access. But if there are wilderness-specific EMT classes out there, that sounds very interesting indeed. On that subject, anyone got any recommended reading on advanced-level wilderness medical stuff?
 
Return of the J.D. said:
On that subject, anyone got any recommended reading on advanced-level wilderness medical stuff?


Medicine for the backcountry Tilton/Hubbell ISBN 0-7627-0527-2 SOLO's basic training book. Very good text.
Wilderness first aid Schimelpfenig/Lindsey ISBN 0-8117-2864-1
Mountainerring first aid The Mountaineers ISBN 0-89886-478-X
Medicine for mountaineering The Mountaineers ISBN 0-89886-331-7

Off the top of my head. When you are done with those I have some others I can recommend. :D I would strongly suggest a SOLO or WMS or NOLS course though. Some of the things shown in these books can get you in serous trouble if you attempt to do them without certification and even then there could be problems depending on protocols. Even if you do them correctly.

KR
 
"...There are a series, Basic, Advanced, and instructor..."
It isn't meant to make anyone a doctor, but it is worthwhile information for disaster situations (i.e. flash floods, hurricaines, etc...). It provides some good basic information and dispells some myths. I believe it was developed in conjunction with several groups to include:

AMA said:
...The National Disaster Life Support Program courses were developed by the American Medical Association in collaboration with the National Disaster Life Support Education Consortium partners...

You could probably find it through contacting/or web hunting AMA.

The courses will be more geared towards police/emt/firefighters/first responders/medics/and healthcare providers

NDLSF said:
...BDLS® is targeted to multiple disciplines including: emergency medical service (EMS) personnel, hazardous materials personnel, public health personnel, and health care providers. By teaching multiple disciplines simultaneously, a commonality of approach and language will develop, improving the care and coordination of response in WMD disaster and public health emergencies...

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/12606.html
http://www.ndlsf.org/faqs.asp
http://yalenewhavenhealth.org/emergency/commu/ndls_events.html
http://www.med.wright.edu/whatsnew/newsreleases/archive/2004/BDLS.html
http://www.aast.org/03abstracts/03absPoster_037.html

This post was not intended to initiate some comparison to other "survival" training available out there. It was only to let people know that these relatively new courses have been developed.
 
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