Newb here. I've been looking into some diy wood scale stabilizing contraptions. I've seen a few with a mason jar connected to a vacuum pump. Would a jar connected to an air mattress pumps suction end, serve the same purpose errr..?? Thanks. trying to save a few bucks as the acquisition of shop tools is getting kaaa'razy
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DIY scale stabilizing
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Nope. It will not. For one, a glass jar is not a proper vessel to draw a deep vacuum in this situation. Let alone a mason jar that you do not know what it has been through.
Really, there is no way to replicate in a home setting the results the professional stabilization companies achieve from their processes.
Really, there is no way to replicate in a home setting the results the professional stabilization companies achieve from their processes.
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Stabilizing wood is best left to the professionals that are set up for it.
Good stabilization requires chemicals that must be bought in quantities too large for hobbyist use, and proper equipment is expensive.
Many people have tried to stabilize at home and it just doesn't work well. Send the work to the pros and save your time and money. I'm all for tinkering around, but this is one area that is best left alone.
Good stabilization requires chemicals that must be bought in quantities too large for hobbyist use, and proper equipment is expensive.
Many people have tried to stabilize at home and it just doesn't work well. Send the work to the pros and save your time and money. I'm all for tinkering around, but this is one area that is best left alone.
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Brake bleeder kit. I've seen videos of folks using setups with those and mason jars to stabilize. They used Minwax wood hardener in the video but I've also heard it's really not that reliable. It's kind of like making your own micarta with bondo. Can you do it? Yes. Will it give you the same results as professionally stabilized stuff from K&G? Doubtful.
If you're gonna spend the time to make a fine knife, don't skimp on the materials.
Now if there is a reliable way to do good stabilizing at home without a huge investment in equipment, I'm all ears. I would love to be able to do it myself.
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It does work really good on porous materials like spalted wood. Hard woods like american Black Walnut it's not so good, but porous woods work really good, BUT MUST follow his directions.
Ken
It does work really good on porous materials like spalted wood. Hard woods like american Black Walnut it's not so good, but porous woods work really good, BUT MUST follow his directions.
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As I understand things, wood has a largely tubular structure.
If you take a tube, suck out some of the air, then stick both ends in a liquid, the liquid will fill the tube from both ends only until the remaining air is at atmospheric pressure. If you have a pump able to pull down to 6 PSI below atmospheric pressurre, you will pull out 40% of the air (normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 PSI. Rounding off to 15) and the liquid will penetrate about 20% of the way into the tube from each end.
A pump that will pull down to 12 PSI below atmospheric (3 PSI absolute) would give double the penetration: about 40% from each end for 80% total.
The degree to which the stabilization solution fills the wood is therefore entirely dependent on the vacuum that is pulled.
There is no substitute for a good vacuum pump.
If you take a tube, suck out some of the air, then stick both ends in a liquid, the liquid will fill the tube from both ends only until the remaining air is at atmospheric pressure. If you have a pump able to pull down to 6 PSI below atmospheric pressurre, you will pull out 40% of the air (normal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 PSI. Rounding off to 15) and the liquid will penetrate about 20% of the way into the tube from each end.
A pump that will pull down to 12 PSI below atmospheric (3 PSI absolute) would give double the penetration: about 40% from each end for 80% total.
The degree to which the stabilization solution fills the wood is therefore entirely dependent on the vacuum that is pulled.
There is no substitute for a good vacuum pump.