Do we know what kind of Titanium Spyerco uses?

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I remember that ages ago my friend irked me when I showed him my Ti fluted mili (with s110v blade I might add) he said "aircraft titanium?!" so as to ask if the handle was made of aircraft titainum. I just said "they're titanium" like there's no alloys just slap it on there. However I know there are alloys and was wondering which the handles of Spyderco knives are made out of. I think it 6AL4V since that's the easiest to machine but ionno.

Thanks in advance for catering to my curiosity.
 
I remember that ages ago my friend irked me when I showed him my Ti fluted mili (with s110v blade I might add) he said "aircraft titanium?!" so as to ask if the handle was made of aircraft titainum. I just said "they're titanium" like there's no alloys just slap it on there. However I know there are alloys and was wondering which the handles of Spyderco knives are made out of. I think it 6AL4V since that's the easiest to machine but ionno.

Thanks in advance for catering to my curiosity.

I believe 6AL4V is the only titanium alloy that’s used for knife handles/frame locks. Unless you count ti-mascus. If I’m wrong, someone will be along to correct me.
 
I would guess it's CP (commercially pure) titanium, which is the softest form and probably the most common. It comes in grades 1-4.

Grade 5 (alloy 6Al-4V) is also a common one and a lot stronger than CP.
 
I would guess it's CP (commercially pure) titanium, which is the softest form and probably the most common. It comes in grades 1-4.

Grade 5 (alloy 6Al-4V) is also a common one and a lot stronger than CP.
Why would you think they use the wimpiest alloy? Because they have more snail trails and nicks than Reeves' ? I have a few knifes with Ti handles/scales. How would I compare them to determine the alloy grade?
 
Why would you think they use the wimpiest alloy? Because they have more snail trails and nicks than Reeves' ? I have a few knifes with Ti handles/scales. How would I compare them to determine the alloy grade?
I wouldn't call it the "wimpiest" grade. It's the most ductile (least hard), and therefore the toughest. Hardness is not necessary for handle scales. because the function of the scales is to just be held comfortably and with grip by the human hand. At a Rockwell B hardness of around 80, CP titanium (grade 2) is way harder than softer materials like wood and plastics that are often used in knife scales. If anything, the greater ductility of CP titanium vs 6Al-4V is more desirable when used in scales, because a more ductile scale is tougher and will be less likely to crack under hard impact (like if the knife was dropped or the handle was used to hammer something). Plus, from an economical perspective, CP titanium is cheaper than alloyed, and because it is softer it's easier to machine, which means less cycle time during machining (the milling program can be set to a higher feed rate) and less wear on the milling tool.

Personally, I find titanium, or any metal, to be a poor handle material compared to composites like G10 or fiber-reinforced nylon. I live in a cold climate, and metal scales are more thermally conductive, meaning they get cold when I'm outside in the winter. They also give me less traction than peel ply G10 or FRN, and make the knife way more expensive.

You would need to either ask the maker, or have the scales Rockwell-tested or put under an identifying spectrometer, to figure out what grade of titanium your scales. Not really a good way to do it yourself, unfortunately.
 
I wouldn't call it the "wimpiest" grade. It's the most ductile (least hard), and therefore the toughest. Hardness is not necessary for handle scales. because the function of the scales is to just be held comfortably and with grip by the human hand. At a Rockwell B hardness of around 80, CP titanium (grade 2) is way harder than softer materials like wood and plastics that are often used in knife scales. If anything, the greater ductility of CP titanium vs 6Al-4V is more desirable when used in scales, because a more ductile scale is tougher and will be less likely to crack under hard impact (like if the knife was dropped or the handle was used to hammer something). Plus, from an economical perspective, CP titanium is cheaper than alloyed, and because it is softer it's easier to machine, which means less cycle time during machining (the milling program can be set to a higher feed rate) and less wear on the milling tool.

Personally, I find titanium, or any metal, to be a poor handle material compared to composites like G10 or fiber-reinforced nylon. I live in a cold climate, and metal scales are more thermally conductive, meaning they get cold when I'm outside in the winter. They also give me less traction than peel ply G10 or FRN, and make the knife way more expensive.

You would need to either ask the maker, or have the scales Rockwell-tested or put under an identifying spectrometer, to figure out what grade of titanium your scales. Not really a good way to do it yourself, unfortunately.
Oh I got ya. I don't know that much about Ti except I have a 24k gold plated chain, and scales in it. Personally I find that having a Ti knife is conductivity in that is feels invincible as how light and how it matches your body temperature. However the "plastic" types are far more durable. You can beat them up so bad and nothing happens. This got me to thinking, what do you think stuff like surgical titanium is made in and...why does it set off metal detectors if it's non-ferrous?
 
Oh I got ya. I don't know that much about Ti except I have a 24k gold plated chain, and scales in it. Personally I find that having a Ti knife is conductivity in that is feels invincible as how light and how it matches your body temperature. However the "plastic" types are far more durable. You can beat them up so bad and nothing happens. This got me to thinking, what do you think stuff like surgical titanium is made in and...why does it set off metal detectors if it's non-ferrous?
According to this scholarly article, the most common implant grade of titanium is CP Grade 4. Alloyed grades are used but there are some concerns about the alloying elements (vanadium and aluminum) causing health issues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...ost commonly used Ti,of the alloy is titanium.

Metal detectors work by projecting an electromagnetic field which can detect any metal, not just ferrous metals.
 
6Al-4V is extremely commonly used in a very wide variety of applications. I'd be quite surprised to find if Spyderco used something else.

"Aircraft titanium" doesn't really mean much, if anything. Many aircraft use titanium for many different parts, any of which could require use of a different type of titanium alloy than others. Structural components vs compressor blades vs leading edge surfaces, etc. While certainly specific alloys may have been developed for specific aircraft applications, I would expect it to be very unlikely that those alloys would be used in such a menial application such as knife handles (short of a custom that bragged that it used old fighter jet parts or something). 6Al-4V is definitely used in aircraft, but that doesn't make it "aircraft titanium" any more than patching a wing with duct tape makes it "aircraft grade duct tape" or bragging that a knife blade is made with "surgical steel" is anything special.
 
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