Do we obsess too much?

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Okay, I admit I'm an old fart, and grew up in those happy uncomplicated years just after WW2. But also in those days, unlike now, every man who had a pair of pants on was expected to have a pocket knife of some sort in them.

I have memories of my early days with my grandad down on the Eastern shore of Maryland. My dad's family were working watermen on the east side of the Chesapeake, and made their living off crabs in the summer and oysters in the winter. Some of those old watermen were rough old cobs.

But one of my best memories, was how nobody blinked when a knife was brought out in public, and even sharpened. There was this little shack by the commercial docks were the watermen would gather and get a hot cup of joe, and talk about the day. It was an almost common sight to see an old salt finish his coffee, and then turn the cup over and touch up the blade of his pocket knife on the unglazed rim on the bottom of the mug. Nobody even blinked.

Sometimes the knife was stropped on the shank of a screwdriver like a Steel. Sometimes a boot top. But nobody went and obsessed over the edge like some of the younger generation knife knuts. Yet these were men who made a living out in the open, and needed a sharp knife a dozen times a day. Not some office workers who have to open a tough envelope.

There were no sharpening gizmos back then, nor miricle stones made out of exotic materials. Mostly a sharpening stone was grey aluminum carborundum type stone, from the hardware store at a moderate price. There was a big one on grandads boat that was mounted on the worktable aft where the crabs were sorted. It was my job as a kid to sharpen up the bait knives on the way out from the dock at dawn. The bait knives were all these grey to black patined old butcher knives in a tin bucket, that were used to slice up salted eel to go in the crab traps as bait. It was tough rubbery stuff to cut, but the old butcher knives touched up on the big old grey carborundum stone cut right through them.

Later, in the boy scouts our scout master, a strick old ex-marine named Mr. Van, was a stickler for us keeping our scout knives sharp. He'd actually pull surprise inpections of our knives, and whoa to the scout with a dirty/dull scout knife. Yet our "official" scout knife sharpening stone was a grey carborundum stone in a pocket size leather case. It got our scout knives sharp enough to shave with when we stropped on a boot top after stone work.

A few years ago I went back to using the old scout knife carborundum stone just for yuks. I carry a small Eze-lap model L in my wallet with most of the red plastic handle cut off. But I've found that I can get the pocket knife just as sharp on the old stone in just a few minutes. No fuss no muss.

I see these posts with people worrying over micro bevels and such, but does it make any difference, or are we obsessing too much?

There's no rocket science to a sharp knife, prison inmates sharpen up licence plate material and cut people. I remember when I was stationed overseas, and watching the women come out of the buildings an hour before dinner and sharpening up thier kitchen knives on the back steps. This one Italian lady was making lamb for dinner, and that step sharpened old carbon blade sliced right through the raw meat.

I wonder if being knife nuts, and having a much larger disposable income than our grandfathers had, do we follow fads and take our hobby too seriously?

I mean, come on, how much sharper than sharp are you going to get?
 
Carl,

I'm guessing it's like one of those "bell shaped curves" that they used to use as an example of school grades etc.

The vast majority will fall in the middle ground, while some on one extreme will never sharpen and never learn, and others will not be satisfied until they can whittle the pubic hair of a gnat.

I like my knives sharp but not enough to obsess over lest I fear using it and ruining the edge I put on.

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Great words sir.
For sure sharpening is not rocket science but it is BIG BUSINESS. It is great way to make money.
So make too thick, too hard, too expensive blade and precise angle holding sharpening device and just convince people that all is necessary.
But that is how modern economy works.
Housewives needs 4000cc, gallon gulping SUV to get groceries.
Punkers needs Dr.Martens for shin kicking.
Vegetarians needs aspartam instead of sugar.
And we needs 65 RC blades and diamond stones.
I had them too but for a while i am going just fine with SAK, mora and scrap piece if sandpaper.
 
Jackknife , you forgot to mention that back then folks bought a knife to use hard.

It's hard to post something like this without someone getting in a ruffle and taking offense , but by hard use I mean everyday real use , not slicing open envelopes and trimming the nails while the office boys talk about the new receptionist around the water cooler.

For instance , my Grandpa's era , his generation.. He had three pocketknives , total ( one of which I was very fortunate enough to inherit ) all of them have seen real use , you can tell by a look that all of the blades have seen many , many sharpenings and not on fancy rods and gizmos - but on stones. I doubt anyone he knew had more knives than that , for starters his generation was the Great Depressions generation.
They made things last until they broke and even then found a use for it. They were not obssessed with prettiness and angles, stone lubricant was oil , water or spit.. There was no carbon fiber , no G10 , no "super steels" , no Axis locks , etc.. Nobody put a lanyard on their knife with a skull dangling from it , people didnt pretend to be ninjas and "operators" ( that word makes me snicker ).
It was a more honest time , society was much more mature and sure of itself instead of the PC silliness we have these days ... I digress !

Some of the old slipjoints I have , have deep scratches on the blades where you can tell the previous owner/s sharpened them flat against the stone , I doubt my grandpa's generation sharpened past the point of getting it done though because to do so would be wasting steel that cost precious money.

Tostig
 
Great story!

Getting my knives as sharp as I can and trying to improve my sharpening skill for me is fun. I am a knife nut :)

I agree this is not necessary for many jobs, but it is fun. I do think that, at least her where I live, few people know how to sharpen at all any more. My grandmother also told me stories of my grandfather sharpening the kitchen knives on the brick wall.

Now a days people have dull expensive Shun knives (or the like) in their kitchen. They have the money but not the skill...interesting how society develops...

JD
 
I still have my Dads' pocket knife. It's a stainless handled gentlemans' slipjoint with a 2" blade and a nail file. He carried that knife for as far back as I can remember and used it for everything.

The blade has been sharpened so much that it's concave. Still sharp enough to be dangerous though. He never saw the need for anything more apparently.

I bet he would laugh his ass off at my "knife for every occasion" drawer!
 
Of course we are mentally ill.Would normal people waste this much time on any subject? I do like a good micro bevel, and believe it will last a tad longer, and take a bit more abuse. I convex myself.
 
I see these posts with people worrying over micro bevels and such, but does it make any difference, or are we obsessing too much?

Of course we're obsessing too much. It's what we DO. :p

But maybe some become lazy with all the nit-picking like I did and stop caring as much anymore. I used to want to have perfectly straight bevels, so I used my Aligner for all my sharpening. I got tired of hooking the thing up all the time... So now I just do it by hand. I can't get perfect bevels, and I can't get my knife as sharp, but I'm still satisfied. It's easier and faster than setting up the system and getting it hair-whittling sharp.
 
Yes, I agree.

After using a Lansky system for years, I decided this last summer to really learn how to freehand sharpen on bench stones.

I bought a selection starting with a basic fine/course Norton, a soft Arkansas and a translucent hard Arkansas.

It's taken some time, but I finally can freehand a good edge. I have gotten allot of enjoyment out of learning to do it.

I have noticed the same thing about new steels, each one is harder, tougher, better than the last. Reading about all the new super steels, it's amazining a knife even worked before the modern stainles steels.

I have gone away from stainless lately and moved back to basic 1095 carbon steel. It still works great.

It's like anything, you really can get by with alot less than we have now.
 
Jack, Thanks for taking the time to write and post your perspective on whats going on here . Ofcourse, we've gone too far ! But somehow what grandfather and father knew was lost in our hi-tech world of the 80's and 90's which were stuck with . But a few hung on and stuck it out to perserve that knowledge for us today . Yes, the pendulum has swung too far but that only means it will take longer to lose it again . Technological advancements are moving the world not just with knives . Even in hunting most check a trail camera carry a GPS and make pictures w/ a cell phone and download it later on their PC . Here with knives we carry super steels sharpened on diamond stones and get them super sharp . Weve taken this well above what dad or granddad conceived .
For me, I'm like uncle Jack when we all load in the car to go out to eat . Then we start asking what are you hungry for Bill or Jane ? When we finally get around to asking uncle Jack, he's heard it all and just says, ole I'm just along for the ride . DM
 
I call it keeping up with the times.

We could all use buck 110's and a standard coarse/fine sharpening stone but we have a more advanced knowledge of knives and sharpening then the general knife user. You could also take you lug nuts off with a 4 way but we have impact guns that do it much faster, and computers that process data at the speed of light, and CNC mills that give ups precision parts. Starting to get the picture?


Are we a little nuts? hell yeah! we have our own forum!!!! :eek: :D

If you love something then you have a passion for it and if you have a passion for it then you want the very best of the things you love. It applies to anything, not just knives.
 
No we don't obsess too much these days. The translucent Arkansas, Coticule, Thuringian, Japanese natural polishing stones, and such, have been used for centuries.
 
No, I don't think we obsess too much. Most of the forumites keep things in the proper perspective. We are fortunate enough to have enough leisure time to be able to investigate the things we love, knives, steels, sharpening, etc.

If we were in the same circumstances as many in our past, we could adapt. We're fortunate enough to be able to indulge our interests...

It's interesting to me, in a tangential way, that a lot of my older uncles and my grandfather did not value knives at all, or treat them very well. They were seen as disposable implements, not valuable tools. And these were midwestern farmers from the early 1900's to the present. My, how times have changed...
 
Knives are tools. Or... Knives are collectibles.

Grandpa (and whole civilizations of working men) used their knives every day. They had a small one, a mediums sized one, and sometimes a larger one. Usually their knives were made by the local blacksmith or purchased at the dry goods store, along with a stone to sharpen them on. And they used them around the farm, in the shop, in the kitchen, at work, and at play.

At the same time there was a class of people who could afford knives with gold fittings, jewel encrusted sheaths, and steels made in far distant lands (because as everyone knows, steels made in far distant lands were best.) These knives were sharpened by the maker, never used for actual cutting, and like 'Leica' cameras which sit on the shelf to be seen but never used, are 'trophies' of ownership.

The same can be said of sharpening. There are folks who think that the reason to own a knife is so you have something to sharpen. Others think sharpening is something you do so that the knife you use will work the way you want it to work, period. Obviously here in BladeForums we get to see a lot of different knife users/collectors in one place, and our views tend to get a bit skewed as a result.

Sharpening to me, is fun... sort of. I don't like re-profiling a knife and fortunately, I don't have to do this very often. Why would I? Once I have the profile I want, proper care maintains it. Hell, for that matter, I don't even have to sharpen my daily users that often. I just maintain them. full sharpening twice or three times a year is more than enough for my EDC as long as I give it a couple of swipes on a Sharpmaker once a week to touch up the edge. Same with my daily used kitchen knives, although they get steeled several times during a day's cooking. A couple of times a year I'll break out my EdgePro and give my users the full treatment. Takes almost an hour to do all of them.

But some people like to sharpen. It's something to do to pass the time. A hobby. And yes, there is a thin line between hobby and mental illness. But it's a good hobby. Well, perhaps not so good for the knives that get quickly work down, but good for the hobbyist! Do they 'need' more than a good stone. Nah... They want it. Do they need to put the knife to a stone every night. Nah... They want to do it. Do they need to get a knife sharpened to the point of whittling hair? No... They just want to be able to post a picture of it. Like having that 'Leica' camera sitting on the shelf. It's a trophy. It's fun.
Are they crazy? Yeah. So what. Better spending their time sharpening than pulling wings off flies. Although the results are a razor sharp knife, it beats having wingless flies.

Stitchawl
 
I love this thread.

This is how my sharpening progression has happened: Lansky crockstix, tri-hone benchstone unit with oil bath, Spyderco Sharpmaker, DMT Diafold, Spyderco diamond rods, 2"x72" knife grinder, 1"x30" belt sander, paper wheels, sand paper over a mouse pad, and then sand paper over a piece of glass.

I like having sharpening options so no matter where I am I have the option to sharpen. I take some sort of sharpening media with me everywhere I go. I would say that a minimum of 95% of the time, I have a Sharpmaker with me. It is my favorite sharpening tool hands down.
 
This thread is so funny ! I knew this would bring them out .
Stitchawl quote: Do they need to get a knife sharpened to the point of whittling hair ? No . Are they crazy ? Yeah .
Interesting somebody put it like that . DM
 
Yet these were men who made a living out in the open, and needed a sharp knife a dozen times a day. Not some office workers who have to open a tough envelope.

Jackknife , you forgot to mention that back then folks bought a knife to use hard.

It's hard to post something like this without someone getting in a ruffle and taking offense , but by hard use I mean everyday real use , not slicing open envelopes and trimming the nails while the office boys talk about the new receptionist around the water cooler.

I think he has that angle covered. :D
 
This thread is so funny ! I knew this would bring them out .
Stitchawl quote: Do they need to get a knife sharpened to the point of whittling hair ? No . Are they crazy ? Yeah .
Interesting somebody put it like that . DM

You say 'crazy' as if it's a bad thing.
Nothing wrong with a good obsession. :D That's why we're all here!!

Stitchawl
 
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