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I found this while reading some old but good threads (good until i found this)


RAT (Randall’s Adventure Training, uses low end 1095, but their customer service and warranty are AMAZING, and the knives are extremely well thought out.)

What does this poster mean by "low end"

Not that this need's defending, by no means.

but unless i'm missing somthing BIG whats this guy thinkin ???? Made me very unhappy to see. I've said it before but ill say it as meny times as I need to LOVE MY IZULA
 
Well, maybe he's saying that 1095 is a simple, low-alloyed, cheap and cheap to work with carbon steel.
If "super steels" like cpm-m4, zdp-189, s90v, ... are high-end you probably could say that carbon steels are low end - at least when it comes to wear resistance - which quite often seems to be considered the most important criterion at judging steels if you dont state any specific setting for the comparison.

In addition to that: if these super steels are that expensive and if 1095 is that cheap it could suggest itself to call 1095 low-end...

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s_f said:
Well, maybe he's saying that 1095 is a simple, low-alloyed, cheap and cheap to work with carbon steel.
If "super steels" like cpm-m4, zdp-189, s90v, ... are high-end you probably could say that carbon steels are low end - at least when it comes to wear resistance - which quite often seems to be considered the most important criterion at judging steels if you dont state any specific setting for the comparison.

In addition to that: if these super steels are that expensive and if 1095 is that cheap it could suggest itself to call 1095 low-end...

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As far as I'm aware most high carbon steels will out perform the majority of complex stainless steels when it comes to wear resistance and toughness at the cost of stain resistance. It's a fair trade if you ask me! I don't think it was referring to all RAT knives as they have multiple manufacturers don't they? It could have been talking about ontario RAT's specifically as I know they don't have a great reputation for high quality materials. Not that they don't make some decent knives though...
 
I am finding that RATs are great users and in use, you will be pushed to feel the difference between a Bussekin and a RAT. I own Busses and Swamp Rats and although I use two of my Busse's the rest remain unused simply because using one will immediately reduce its resale price and the difference in the reduction could buy a full size RAT.

RATs in 1095 are great knives at great value - very easy to sharpen and maintain. But in the climate I work in - I keep the coating on and clean it regularly to keep the rust off. But its only adds another 1 minute after cleaning my personal weapon.

I trust ESEE to produce a good knife regardless of steel because it is what hey do - after all thousands of RAT/ESEE users cant be wrong?!
 
Common tool steel and great heat treat is what makes great, affordable knives. "Low end" as opposed to a super steel you will pay 3x as much for. There are definitely better steels out there for "X" application but 1095 is a great all around steel.

Want wizard steel with unicorn-horn alloy sprinkles, you'll have to buy something different and pay a lot more.

There is no better deal IMO than ESEE knives. If I find otherwise I'll report back, but so far it's been a no go.
 
ESEE is the Best hard working user friendly knife on the market with the Best warranty in the business .. Common knife for common people
 
I love Esee knives, Esee steel, Esee philosophy and plan to buy more before the year is out.
 
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Sorry, didn't mean to cross the line. Feel free to delete if you want to. As I hit submit I thought I might have crossed the line, but it is how I feel.
 
There are more steels on the market that could be called 'low end', than one might think. ESEE has 1095, Ka-Bar 1095CV, Ontario uses 5160 and even companies like Scrapyard use a variant of rather simple steel like S7. The famous Carbon V/0170-6C from Camillus was also rather low-end compared to the powdersteels from Crucible for example. I think these few examples show that the steel itself is only a small part in a well-performing blade.
 
I actually prefer the 1095. by a LOT!

The one folder I own is a spyderco military LH...and it's in CPM-S30V...and it will be swapped for HEST/IZULA folder - whichever one I can get ahold of.

I really don't like to sharpen that thing at all. I can touch up my HEST, IZULA, and 5 in less time, less effort and do a better job than the spydie.
 
Simply put........look at the number of pictures of ESSE/RAT knives that are used (and abused) and show the love of a worn finish. Compare that to the knives that sit in safes. I'm sure that they are equally loved and admired, just not used. My gun safe is full of guns. All my guns are shooters. I use my knives and guns and they show normal wear and tear but they are well cared for. As much as I like to hold and admire the craftsmanship that goes into my ESSE's I like them even more when they are working for me. 1095 does the job for me.
 
technician1 said:
I found this while reading some old but good threads (good until i found this)

RAT (Randall’s Adventure Training, uses low end 1095, but their customer service and warranty are AMAZING, and the knives are extremely well thought out.)

What does this poster mean by "low end"

Not that this need's defending, by no means.

but unless i'm missing somthing BIG whats this guy thinkin ???? Made me very unhappy to see. I've said it before but ill say it as meny times as I need to LOVE MY IZULA
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How old? Depending on age they may have been referring to the Ontario days.
The way Rowen does 1095 it is anything BUT low-end.

Check that...

1095 IS CRAP! STOP USING IT!!

Now, if we can echo that enough, maybe Rowen will get to corner the 1095 market and the ESEE knives with come down even lower in price. Which means more ESEE's on my shelf at home!

Mwa-ha-HAR!
 
Some think price = quality... However I'd take good ol' 1095 with good HT over most super steels... That's just me though. I don't care wether 1095 is considered low end or not. Its darn good steel.

iPhone 4 generation needs to learn few things about... well, values and that with three times more expensive steel you may get few % improvement in some area and lose in another.

1095 is excellent allaround steel that gives most super steels run for their money.
 
1095 to a lot of people is 'low end' due to it not being among the most expensive steels out there. Not sure why they think that, as it is one of my favorite all around steels, but some people are just.. weird like that. :rolleyes:
 
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