Do You Celebrate Saturnalia? I Do, Thanks to Jack Black!

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In early October, Jack Black was displaying some of his antique mall finds, and many of us were pointing out some of our favorites. I posted:
...Very interesting knives and an informative thread! :cool:
My favorites are the MOP pen knife and the ring opener. Any idea about to what the "writing" on the ring opener refers? I like the idea of a knife encouraging a celebration like Saturnalia, especially since my birthday falls during that ancient festival!

- GT
Here's a photo of the knife that inspired my comment:
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Jack replied with his characteristic generosity:
Thanks GT. I'm assuming the ring-opener is an advertising knife for a firm producing drive-belts. PM me an address my friend and it's an early birthday present ;) :thumbup:
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Well, that was an offer I couldn't refuse, and Jack sent me the ring-opener (and so much more) soon thereafter. I thanked Jack for his marvelous gift, but I've "kept it under wraps" until now because I wanted to post about it during Saturnalia.

Saturnalia was a Roman festival of "excessive joy and merriment" that was originally celebrated on December 17, but was so popular that it eventually stretched out to a week-long celebration that included the winter solstice. Later, Christians co-opted the festival to turn it into a celebration of Jesus' birth.

The other side of the knife Jack sent me shows the name of the company that the knife advertises.
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Some internet research revealed very interesting facts about Scandinavia Belting. The company was founded as W. Wilson Cobbett Ltd. in Scotland in 1879. Its main product was solid woven belting (including "hair belting") used for power transmission and mechanical conveyance in industries such as mining. The company moved its factory to Yorkshire in 1901. From 1911 to 1925, the company was called Scandinavia Belting. Subsequent names included British Belting and Asbestos, BBA Group (1967), and BBA Aviation in 2007.

An interesting coincidence: Jack from Yorkshire sent the ring-opener to me in Michigan, while the Yorkshire company sent large quantities of belting to Henry Ford in Michigan to be used as transmission linings in Ford's Model T starting in 1908 and continuing at least until WWI.

Here's a photo of the knife with blades partially deployed, along with a wonderful 1903 British penny:
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The knife was made by John Watts Cutlery in Sheffield, as can be seen in this shot of the tang stamp. (The background is an interesting postcard Jack included.)
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Here's what Jack told me about that company:

"John Watts had a somewhat convoluted history - not unusual among Sheffield cutlery manufacturers - The company claimed to have been established in 1765 by a clog-clasp and dog-collar maker by the name of Michael Shaw. John Watts didn't come along until 1853 though. In 1881, at the Lambert Street works shown in the photograph, he employed only two men and eight women. He died in 1895. His son, John Robert Watts then took over, and considerably expanded the business. They produced pen and pocket knives, razors, graining combs, skates, clasps, stamps, and piercers. In the 1890's, Watts marketed a safety razor (before Gillette, but based on an American design). Watts also patented a cyclist's knife, scissors and razor sharpeners, and a trouser press. Gadget knives were a speciality. In 1929, Watts became a limited company, and acquired other Sheffield premises. John R Watts died in 1939. The company remained in business until as late as 1999. Their old factory is now apartments."

I'll close with a challenging quiz! Here's a pic of another item Jack included in his package; he called it a "button spanner". Any idea what it is? (Jack had to tell me!)
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Thanks a million, Jack! My first ring-opener, and it opened a world of interesting research for me, too!

- GT
 
Neat old ring opener and a nice gift. :thumbup: I don't know the purpose of the "button spanner".... but I'd guess it's for spanning buttons... whatever that means..... :o
 
Neat old ring opener and a nice gift. :thumbup: I don't know the purpose of the "button spanner".... but I'd guess it's for spanning buttons... whatever that means..... :o

What's the old saying, Jake? "Your guess is as good as mine." Or as bad ... :D

- GT
 
We do celebrate winter solstice with a special family meal, presents, and the twinkle tour of lights around town. Great way to enjoy a family evening of food and games, and look forward to the longer days to come in what typically are pretty harsh winter months.

...and very cool knives 5KQ. Always love learning the history behind markings / brands.

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Happy Saturnalia GT! So, like many, I had to try and find something on what a button spanner was. I came across a sales post for some cast iron button spanners and in the description the seller stated:

"I am uncertain of the exact usage of this tool, but I understand it is a wrench/spanner for adjusting the joining buttons on leather and other belting for belt driven machinery."

This makes sense as any spanner wrench technically fits into slots or grooves on the outside of a fitting to tighten, loosen or adjust it. This would coincide with the two "teeth" on the small end of the tool.
 
Gary a great knife and I love the history of the company advertised and the John Watts company as well:thumbup:

Jack your ability to retrieve such great history is amazing as is your generosity:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Enjoy the knife Gary:)
 
A wonderful knife and tool, interesting history, and generosity! Well done as always, Jack!!!:thumbup::thumbup:

Gary, great write-up and thanks for the smile!

Both of you guys are the best:D
 
A wonderful knife and tool, interesting history, and generosity! Well done as always, Jack!!!:thumbup::thumbup:

Gary, great write-up and thanks for the smile!

Both of you guys are the best:D

Gary - I couldn't have said this any better than Gevonovich already did!:D
 
Thanks guys :)

Happy Saturnalia GT, and Happy Birthday :thumbup:

My grandfather grew up close to the John Watts factory, and I also visited the site with Duncan and Sue the other year, so their knives are always extra special for me :) Here's a photo of the old factory as it stands today.



I'm certainly looking forward to the coming of longer days and shorter nights, but not so much as poor old Will, who has been living virtually in darkness this past month or so.
 
Thanks for the kind words, everybody. :)

Happy Saturnalia GT! So, like many, I had to try and find something on what a button spanner was. I came across a sales post for some cast iron button spanners and in the description the seller stated:

"I am uncertain of the exact usage of this tool, but I understand it is a wrench/spanner for adjusting the joining buttons on leather and other belting for belt driven machinery."

This makes sense as any spanner wrench technically fits into slots or grooves on the outside of a fitting to tighten, loosen or adjust it. This would coincide with the two "teeth" on the small end of the tool.
Looks like you're a winner, Jake!! :thumbup::thumbup: I thought it was exceptional that Jack could just dip into his stash of goodies and come up with an old wrench that was completely relevant to the fantastic knife he sent me!! :eek::cool::cool:

Thanks guys :)

Happy Saturnalia GT, and Happy Birthday :thumbup:
...I'm certainly looking forward to the coming of longer days and shorter nights, but not so much as poor old Will, who has been living virtually in darkness this past month or so.

Thanks for adding the photo of the old factory, Jack! :thumbup: I love the way they have their "catalog" printed on the side of the building. I looked for this photo onlline, but could only find older photos of the building looking quite dilapidated before renovation. I, too, am looking forward to the time when I no longer leave for work and return home from work in the dark! :(

- GT
 
Man great write up and awesome ring opener enjoy it. As always since I have been here Jake black is a great guy and has a vast knowledge of knives. Thanks for sharing this you learn something new everyday
 
Gerry interesting thread GT and a very happy belated birthday.:) Jack recently sent me a couple of knives and one of them was a ring knife. I had no ever saw one and was fascinated with it.
 
That is one fine gift GT !!! Great stuff Jack ! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::)
 
Thanks for the kind words gents, it's a pleasure to be able to pass something on :)

Hope everyone has a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year :) :thumbup:
 
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