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Do you find that there is a difference between batoning and......

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With all the treads about batoning, there is something that's not always clear to me.

Do YOU think there is a difference between......

Batoning a knife trough wood, with another piece of wood.......

And

Hitting a knife with a piece of wood, so it goes trough another piece of wood.....

Is it the same thing for you, or do you find that they are not the same ? :)
 
either drunk at 2:30 in the morning, or hes trolling, but I dont think that is it.

My troll face is turned on.......
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:D
 
I always thought batoning is twirling your knife like a marching band baton.:D

From this forum, it sounds like a lot of people like to do it.:D
 
I think he means hitting the spine of a knife to split a log vs. hitting the butt of the knife to drive the point into something... if that's the case than they are the same...
 
I wonder if what he means is that there is a difference between assisting the knife to go through some wood - and using the knife as a splitting wedge.

I know that technically this is the same thing - but the matter of scale seems to be very different to the knife.

TF
 
Well, I've been drunk at 2:30 in the morning before, but actually it was around 10:30 am when I posted it (I live in Denmark).
And I do enjoy some light trolling at times. :eek: This not being one of those times ;)

I was reading a post by the "dog-head-turning-move-food-gif guy", in another tread.
Its reply number 167 And I was thinking that the "dog-head-turning-move-food-gif guy" might have a pretty valid point, that often is over looked in treads about batoning.

It goes like this........(Point in red)
Well...

I still don't see the controversy....

I understand that there are those who think the practice is abusive, and I guess I would agree with them, with the caveat that anything can be abusive, if done excessively.

And I agree that some people claim that they are batoning, when really they are just whacking the crap out of a knife with a big stick.

I would say that there is such a thing as proper batoning technique. That, knowing the limitations of the tools at hand, and the range of resistance and stress likely given the wood to be split or cut, one can properly apply the technique of batoning to accomplish their goal.

I do think that batoning a bolt is appropriate. When I go out, I often bolt a tree with a saw, and I will then select bolts that fit my tools, to split them, and make the structural members for the my fire lay, then, I will split the rest of the bolts, so that they will more easily take fire.

Have I damaged a knife this way, yes. I bent a Cold Steel Bushman, but it was my fault, the bolt of wood was too big, my mistake. But, the other side of that coin is that I decided I wanted a knife that was capable of batoning that size of wood, and discontinued using the Bushman (though there were other factors involved).

Usually now, I attack the bolts with my Bill Siegle Cutlass, which is sufficiently thick and strong to handle the task.

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Improper Batoning Technique would be using The Cutlass's friend to try and split a bolt....

Marion

So what do you think ?
Whacking a knife with a big stick = batoning..... or is there more to batoning then meets the eye ? :)
 
I think if you're knife can't handle being whacked on the spine with a chunk of wood it's a weak knife or obviously the wrong one for that purpose.
 
Again - I think there is a difference between assisting the blades cut - and splitting wood.

One seems to be a valid use of a knife - the other seams like you lack an axe.

TF
 
If you’re beating on your knife with a stick or log, you’re batoning. :eek:

If you’re just slamming the edge of your knife into things, you’re chopping. :eek:

Neither of these techniques are slicing (but they do involve cutting), nor are they abuse (as far as I’m concerned, but not all knifemakers agree with me).





Big Mike

”Scaring the tree huggers.”


Forest & Stream
 
Big mike you are right on:D weather you hit the spine or chop with your knife it is still splitling or cutting with it.

Bryan
 
When I wrote that I was trying to allude to a lack of finesse.

Don Rearic rightfully points out that you can apply a baton and a knife to situations that will break a bowling ball, and I would agree with him that such is not batoning, but abuse. In other words, there are always situations where discretion is applicable, and should lead us to go for a bigger tool, or choose another situation.

Or to put another way....

Batoning is a grey area. Within that grey area, real and effective work can be done. But, lose your sense of proportion and you can break your knife.

Marion
 
Don Rearic rightfully points out that you can apply a baton and a knife to situations that will break a bowling ball, and I would agree with him that such is not batoning, but abuse. In other words, there are always situations where discretion is applicable, and should lead us to go for a bigger tool, or choose another situation.

You are correct.

When batoning or chopping (or any task done with a knife) some common sense need be applied;

…selecting a proper tool for any job is paramount to getting the job done safely and efficiently.






Big Mike

”Scaring the tree huggers.”


Forest & Stream
 
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