Do you Spray and Pray or spray and prey ?

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This is kind of an extension on the magazine threads that have recently aired . First off with a Marlin 30-30 I,m gonna do a lot more praying than spraying so I guess shots gotta count bigtime . I,d like one day to scare up an S:K:S: so we can keep semi auto in the ball park . Lets keep full auto out of the picture as I,ve only shot a couple and didn,t know enough about them to enjoy it .

Its great to have the resources for multiple mags for multiple weapons . How many of you guys practice tactics and or fire control? I,ve done a beginners course in I:P:S:C which is not much more than learning not to shoot your foot off when drawing and firing a revolver or pistol from a hip holster .
We went as far as practicing two taps which is no mean feat with a double action revolver .
I,d like you guys advice as to controling a field of fire ,(Such as a large or small front or back yard leading onto a laneway or public road . ) securing your domain.(in this case a household with long corridor and shotgun doors.) I don,t really have any place where I could scoot and shoot with the Marlin or my double barrell 12 guage . I do have a semi auto 12 shot 22lr which I guess could be used for practice . I know one place with enough acreage . The neighbours are juat too cantankerous and only stop fighting among themselves long wnough to screw up someone elses day when the opportunity comes along .

So what about it ? Are there any basic yet not obvious tactics which can be Practiced and employed ?
 
Kevin the grey said:
This is kind of an extension on the magazine threads that have recently aired . First off with a Marlin 30-30 I,m gonna do a lot more praying than spraying so I guess shots gotta count bigtime . I,d like one day to scare up an S:K:S: so we can keep semi auto in the ball park . Lets keep full auto out of the picture as I,ve only shot a couple and didn,t know enough about them to enjoy it .

Its great to have the resources for multiple mags for multiple weapons . How many of you guys practice tactics and or fire control? I,ve done a beginners course in I:P:S:C which is not much more than learning not to shoot your foot off when drawing and firing a revolver or pistol from a hip holster .
We went as far as practicing two taps which is no mean feat with a double action revolver .
I,d like you guys advice as to controling a field of fire ,(Such as a large or small front or back yard leading onto a laneway or public road . ) securing your domain.(in this case a household with long corridor and shotgun doors.) I don,t really have any place where I could scoot and shoot with the Marlin or my double barrell 12 guage . I do have a semi auto 12 shot 22lr which I guess could be used for practice . I know one place with enough acreage . The neighbours are juat too cantankerous and only stop fighting among themselves long wnough to screw up someone elses day when the opportunity comes along .

So what about it ? Are there any basic yet not obvious tactics which can be Practiced and employed ?

Yup. My choice for many years for home defense has been a pump riot shotgun with minimum length 18" barrel and wide open choke. Magazine full, but not a round in the chamber. Choat fold over the top stock and pistol grip. This went to work with me for decades and is an old friend. So short I can conceal it under a windbreaker with it's sling. #4 buckshot, 12 gauge high brass shells top it off. Right next to it is a bandoler full of the same ammo. Can't imagine needing the bandoler, though.

P226 under pillow in 9MM. OK, call me paranoid, but I have had two home invasions. Unfortunatly I was home both times.

As for your full auto concern. You will really like that. Go to a full auto shoot someplace and pay to fire them. An M2 carbine or AK47 are a hell of a lotta fun with little recoil. That .30 carbine does about 1100 rounds per minute very smoothly. The empties just fill the air. A beautiful sight. Have fun.

You are going to get lots of different opinions on this.

Heck, I used to keep a morter in my stable. It was sleeved to accept a dog food can filled with concrete which was propelled by a charge that was exactly like a 12 gauge shotgun shell (which was what we used to fire it) without pellets in it. Drop in dogfood can, pull lanyard, lose site of can. After a few rounds the base plate would go down into the dirt. Kept it secret for years. Then learned it was really a device to launch lines from ship to ship for a breeches bouy (?). It was then legal and no fun anymore so it was sold. Great way to get rid of dogfood cans, too.
 
Steve that mortar sounded like fun ! I was yhinking of making a toned down affair to launch 1 litre water bottles for aerial archery targets . I think I would be using something a little less powerful than a shotgun shell .
 
Kevin the grey said:
Steve that mortar sounded like fun ! I was yhinking of making a toned down affair to launch 1 litre water bottles for aerial archery targets . I think I would be using something a little less powerful than a shotgun shell .

sounds like a job for a trebuchet, nice high angle flight path & not much noise to distract the archer, also no nasty explosives & cleanup is easy. if you build it big enough it's fun throwing cars & stuff a few hundred yards....
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LINKY with video, looks like they need to tune it for distance a bit....
(being in the place of origin of the subspecies homo eccentricus, there is a farmer around here who has a steel frame trebuchet with a steel box beam arm about 30 ft long weighted with a few tons of steel who does just that, it's similar to the one shown above, just a tad smaller. piano's are not very aerodynamic. there is a program here called 'scrapheap challenge' where the teams have built one a few times, along with other forms of catapults and ballistae)

here's a pic of a competition target shoot a few years ago between a fixed weight & a hinged weight model firing stone balls at a simulated masonry castle wall (full thickness stone dressed rubble core like the reall thing)

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you may [refer a slightly smaller version

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How to build a trebuchet
 
You really need to check out the Gabriola/Mudge Island potato cannon event. There are some really incredible potato cannons firing from Gabriola Island over to Mudge Island, and vice versa. See what happens to people when you take their guns away from them...potato cannons!
 
you can run but you cannot hide from the spanish inquis..... oops, wrong costume.

you can run, but you cannot hide from the PC police!
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You guys got way too much time on your hands and I,m jealous ! Trebuchets are a lot of fun and Like was said you haven,t really lived until you,ve seen a grand piano fly . I was actually a little saddened to see the piano play its last duet with the earth . ("Dueling smashos") Its one of my favourite instruments . I can just imagine the wind whistling through the wire screaming out a mournful wail as it realises it will be playing its final crescendo . (Or is that descendo ?) L:O:L
As for your potato cannon ? One of the local bike gangs ran one up with steel instead of P:V:C: it was shown in the news and was well put together . I don,t think they were launching potatoes though . It was a front end loader though just like the potatoe cannon .

On a separate note I got an e-mail that was more to the point and I,ll answer it later as my program won,t let me reply : give me a couple of days .
 
cliff355 said:
Kevin:

If you found an IPSC club in your area, you may be able to find a range which runs NRA levergun matches or something similar. I shoot those at my club, and there are always gents on the firing line who can demonstrate that a levergun properly handled will have the targets downrange doing the praying.

I wanted to get a levergun in 44 mag to match my dan wesson 44 mag and do just that . I,m a Canadian boy and aside from I:PS:C: , action shooting and some combat shooting anything with imagination is considered taboo . It seems to be if you enjoy shooting there is something wrong with you . It took me years to relax into multiple recoils instead of fighting the feeling . Once I got the idea that it could be enjoyable trhings went along a little better . I,m in the minority unfortunately .
 
That Wesson 44 is big enough recoil shouldn't be bad. I'd reccomend the Marlin 44.



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Munk there is nothing I would like more than to pick up a 44 mag levergun and especially a Marlin . Since Igot my levergun they have nearly doubled in price . As far as cartridges that are not quite the standard ? I would proabably have to special order it and that would involve things I just don,t want taken notice of . Getting permits renewed up here is only slightly easier than applying for new ones . Also I don,t fit perfectly into the sqeaky clean citizen mold that they require of all gun owners . In other words I lost a job within the last two years . There are five questions on the form and if you answer yes to any of the five you are investigated more thoroughly . You would not believe the machinations necessary to have a restricted weapons permit . (handgun)
 
All of what you just said in the immediately preceding post considered, Kev, I'm not at all sure that a .44 carbine is any more desirable than the .30/30 already at hand. Fire control to me is not the availability of multiple shots, but rather a good sight picture, a controlled squeeze, and adequate shot placement. That .30/30 should handle moose and the odd bear, if a neat shot thru both lungs at reasonable range is taken.
 
jurassicnarc44 said:
All of what you just said in the immediately preceding post considered, Kev, I'm not at all sure that a .44 carbine is any more desirable than the .30/30 already at hand. Fire control to me is not the availability of multiple shots, but rather a good sight picture, a controlled squeeze, and adequate shot placement. That .30/30 should handle moose and the odd bear, if a neat shot thru both lungs at reasonable range is taken.

I couldn,t agree more .We are so multi-fqacetted here that we often digress from the main question and I will confess to being among the culpable here .
I,m a pretty darn good single shot with my 30-30 and few places up here let you do rapid fire up my way . Unless you take a course on it such as I:P:S:C: which is just for handgun . The mention of the Marlin 44 was in relation to apart of action shooting where you have a levergun and revolver in the same caliber . I guess scoresare averaged or combined between the two . It would mostly be for practiceand fun that I wouldget a 44 and no ranges do action shooting within several hundred milesof me .

I would consider getting an S:K:S: for more practical purposes as thats kinda my practical limit right now . It seems to be an adequate arm for the money .The 30-30 and company isjust whatsavailable . If you want to bang out a few boxes once in a while the ammo is pretty cheap as well , I think semi auto has the added benefit of forcing opponents to keep their heads down and perhaps re-evaluate the situation . I never would consider a firearm as a deterrent going into a situation cause there are some who just won,t be deterred . I imagine if you raised a little dust around them while they are still 100 yards out they may not have thestomach for more . Lets face it . Your average looter won,t have been in a situation too many times where they are disconcerted by return fire .
 
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