do you want to pay less for gas L@@K here

[Dan Gray]

I got this in the mail today
it just might work if we can get the mass tranit to swap too.



LET;S GET THE BALL ROLLING!
We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon gas by the
summer, and it might go even higher!!
Do you want gasoline prices to come down? Then you,
me, and all of us need to take some intelligent,
united ACTION.
Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes
MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain
day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they
knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by
refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience
to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever
thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work.
Please read it and join with me.
By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at
about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too. It is currently
$2.15 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the
oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at
$1.50-$1.75, we need to take aggressive action to
teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace... not
sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we
are going to see the price of gas come down is if we
hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their
gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop
buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if
we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea:


For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
from the two biggest companies (which now are one),
EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they
will be inclined to reduce their prices. THEY NEED THEIR
MARKET SHARE TO STAY AFLOAT. If they
reduce their prices, the other companies will have to
follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach
literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's
really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out on me at this
point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it
is to reach millions of people!
I am sending this note to about two hundred and thirty
people. But if each of you send it to only ten more
30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least
ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)... and so on, by the time
the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we
will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to
ten friends each, then 30 million people will have
been contacted! If it goes one level further, you
guessed it... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all YOU have to do is send this to 10 people.
That's all.
How long will it take to reach THREE HUNDRED MILLION
PEOPLE? Well, if each of us sends this e-mail out to
ten more people within 24 hours of receipt, all 300
MILLION people will be contacted within the next 8
days!!!
Now I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much
potential, did you? Acting together we can make a
difference.
If this makes sense to you (and it sure does to me),
please pass this message on. It certainly makes much
more sense than just complaining about it and feeling
powerless, that's for sure.
Then just continue the boycott against Mobil and Exxon
until gas prices lower to the $1.30 (or lower) range.
This really can work, if only Americans will get
involved. Won't you?

>=====
SIMPLE TAKE ACTION REVIEW:

1. Do NOT buy gas from Mobil or Exxon.

2. Send this to everyone on your list who buys gas.

3. Encourage them to do the same.

>=====



What? You're still reading this? Stop. Send this
email to your list right now.
And remember: NO Mobil, and NO Exxon.
You can do this.

>=====

Still don't think this will work? Then just imagine
if no one bought from EXXON and MOBIL for just one
month, or even just one week! Get the picture. This
can work, and it will work, if we Americans will work
it.
So do your part. Do it now. Then boycott MOBIL and EXXON.
Thank you.

 

[rlinger]

Dan,

Well stated. At least in my state, West Virginia, there is legislation dictating a minimum price per gallon. It is for the purpose of preventing price competetion. Therefore I, if I sold the stuff, could not by law lower my price as far as I might wish. They got us all the way from the top to the bottom and every where in between. So, at least in my state, it is not only the foreign cartel and tree huggers but also the results of big lobby. At the same time I intend not to throw water on your post. I will proceed, as of now, to follow your lead and hope all us that can will.

RL

 

[Dan Gray]

I know what you mean Roger
it would make for less sales tax for the state/s, we have to vote for the changes on that end.
the guys we put in power want higher prices so their stocks go up at the very least.
they abuse their job WE put them in,
by thinking about how they can protect there job and get more money out of us,
public servants should not be the word for them.

why should a public servant retire in 10 years or less??
we did this to our selves and we can stop it..IF we want to..

 

[ddavelarsen]

You guys don't see what's really happening. Civilization as we know it is on its downhill slide, because oil is a very finite resource and because we've just about used all of it we can pump.

Read this and if you're still not convinced do a search on "peak oil production". I think you'll be looking for a nice quiet plot of land where you can just grow yourself enough food to feed your family. Forget medical care or retirement; it ain't in our cards.

 

[Dan Gray]

I haven't looked at that yet Dave but studys show we'er about half throught the oil and picking up usage all the time.. and it's geting harder to get to..
so costs will go up too...
they won't do a thing about it untill it's gone,, just too many money grubbers out there that don't care... plain and simple.

 

[ohen cepel]

If you want to lower your gas price force your state gov't to reduce the taxes that they put on it. Then try to get the feds to reduce their tax on it. In most states the tax runs about 40 cents. That's a good slice of the price especially back in the days when it was under $2.00 Sad that no one raised hell then about a 20% tax on their gas.

As for not buying from Exxon/Mobil I think you're fooling yourself. I worked at a gas station years ago and our Chevron gas didn't come from a truck that was marked Chevron.

For those of you in the part of the country that has the Sheetz chain. Do you think Sheetz actually controls that gas from beginning to end. No.

If you didn't buy from Exxon/Mobil stations you would only hurt the guy at that station. The corp would still sell the same amount of gas since he's selling it to the competion also.

It's a global issue now. China is buying up the vast majority of the oil now. That's why the price is up, not the Middle East situation.

I respect you for trying to send a message and would be right beside you in doing so. However, I don't know of a good way to send that message to the people that actually matter in this case.

 

[Dan Gray]

well what ever happens it's running out and it won't last anyway
so it's a mood point.. at least..

Dave I read some of that now..the fertilizer thing
if I were to use a plot of land for food it would include fertilizer makers that makes milk too,,Moo. .. chicken sheet makes good fertilizer also..
I'm not sure why they would want to buy it ??
I've razed Rabbits too so I won't go hungry anyway..

 

[S.Shepherd]

can someone explain why the price of desil is so high ? I thought it was a byproduct of making unleaded gas ?

 

[Dan Gray]

can someone explain why the price of desil is so high ? I thought it was a byproduct of making unleaded gas ?

more road tax on it for the trucks

 

[Laredo7mm]

They raised the price of diesel because i bought a F250 Powerstroke. Sorry for that, but it is just the black cloud that follows me around.

From what i understand it is because of the heavy demand for home heating oil which is similar/the same as diesel. I also heard rumblings that it is high because of all the rebuilding going on from natural disasters, both here and abroad. All those bull dozers and back hoes eat the diesel too.

I read some where that every $0.10 per gallon increase in diesel puts 100 (or 1000 I can't remember) trucking companies out of business. Now that is kind of scarey.

Hopefully diesel will drop some now that spring is here.

 

[S.Shepherd]

ok, I can see the login in that, but then since desil is a byproduct of refining unleaded--wouldn't there me more unleaded/a lower price?

I don't know, there's no rhyme or reason--other than we pissed off the saudis and they raised the prices by pumping less oil.
maybe I'm way off

 

[Darren Ellis]

I don't know, there's no rhyme or reason--other than we pissed off the saudis and they raised the prices by pumping less oil.
maybe I'm way off

I'm not so sure about that. Some places you read indicate that they are pumping oil as much as they can. Which, if true, would indicate that "peak oil" output is upon us.

Doesn't matter much to me....people think I'm silly for riding my bicycle almost everywhere... my wallet doesn't feel too silly at the end of the week! ...plus, I've got plenty of spare calories to burn! Heck, let it go to $5 a gallon...then there'll be less traffic on the road when I'm riding my bike!

-Darren

 

[ddavelarsen]

Fuel is actually a small part of our total oil consumption. Think about all the plastic stuff we use - everything is made out of plastic, and more all the time. And it all goes into landfills.

All fertilizer and pesticides are based on petroleum, not to mention virtually all pharmacuticals...

And since they cannot pump enough oil, no matter what, to keep up with demand, price is going up. There is no way around it. What's worse is that half the world's oil resources are gone - and the half that's left is poorer quality and harder - more costly - to extract. Again, price goes up.

It's been said that if oil hits $200 per gallon our entire financial system will crash. Think about that one for a while. $200 oil does not seem too far off to me considering how fast it's gone up the last six months.

 

[Dan Gray]

They raised the price of diesel because i bought a F250 Powerstroke. Sorry for that, but it is just the black cloud that follows me around.

From what i understand it is because of the heavy demand for home heating oil which is similar/the same as diesel. I also heard rumblings that it is high because of all the rebuilding going on from natural disasters, both here and abroad. All those bull dozers and back hoes eat the diesel too.
.

not so at least here..
home heating does not have a road tax on it and this fuel has a die in it
so if caught using it in a road vehicle as in your truck you'll face some heavy penalties the die is there so they can tell if tax was payed for road use..
if you use it off road like in a bull-dozer you file a form to recoup the
road tax. I go through that stuff with gas used in the past in the small engine, uses like lawn mowers and chain saws
if the fuel oil is used in home use their is no sales tax I believe but if used in a business lie my shop it has tax because to can deduct it as business expense.

 

[Darren Ellis]

It's been said that if oil hits $200 per gallon our entire financial system will crash. Think about that one for a while. $200 oil does not seem too far off to me considering how fast it's gone up the last six months.

Yep, it's inevitable that $200 per barrel will happen, it's just a matter of when. I, myself, along with my wife, are trying to institute lifestyle changes to do our part. As much as freedom and unlimited transportation are part of the American way, if people don't start to do their part to be more conservative (and I don't mean politically!), we're either going to be screwing ourselves, or at the very least, our kids and grandkids.

In addition to riding my bicycle everywhere I can...I commute by bicycle 6 miles each way to school for my graduate classes. We've also recently gotten rid of our gas guzzler vans and gotten a more economical 4 cylinder pickup truck and a Vespa....sure I'd love to have a Harley, but the Vespa gets 65 mpg! I've always been a big recycler, and wish more cities would institute mandatory recycling programs too.




-Darren

 

[ddavelarsen]

Darren that's what we're doing too - using the gas hog as little as possible and I commute in the 14 year old Prism that still gets 35 mpg plus. Rusty and not much for the old image among the twenty-something babes, but I'm seriously invisible to them anyway. Maybe if I started commuting on a nice recumbent I'd get some happy! Just kidding, I'm happily married.

 

[jhiggins]

We are a bunch of the most-resourceful people on the planet. Knifemakers can do anything they put there minds into. Let's figure out how we can make cars that run on straight alcohol! That way, we all can grow our own fuel and get schnuckered while distilling it! yay!

 

[Steve Hayden]

As of the end of 2003, known world oil reserves totalled about 1400 billion barrels. This means proven oil in the ground that we can get by known technologies. It is probable that we will not find more super giant fields like Saudi Arabia and Iraq. We are currently developing the last known ones in the Caspian Sea area and will resume development in Iraq when the conditions warrent.

At the end of 2002, world oil use stood at 77 million bbl/d (barrels per day) with about 26 million bbl/d used in the USA. By 2020 that is expected to rise to about 120 million bbl/d. At 2002 rates, the estimated oil recoverable from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) would last the world for just over 170 days. The world's known reserves will run out at 2002 usage rates of consumption in about 40 years.

Even though there are probably not any more giant fields hiding out there, there are some other sources we will probably utilize:
1. Canada has some significant reserves that are in tar sands where the technology is being developed.
2. The Colorado Plateau in western Colorado and eastern Utah has a great amount of immature Hydrocarbons tied up in what we call oil shales. Projects were under way 25 years ago to work out how to heat and mature this into crude, mostly by setting fires underground and cooking the shale. These projects got cancelled when the Reagan administration came into office.
3. The abyssal plains in the deep ocean basins have a great amount of Methane (natural gas) tied up in water ice in muddy sediments in the sea floor. They call this methane hydrate. At present we have no way to extract it.
4. There is an abundance of coal deposits around the world. The thirst for gasoline will undoubtedly drive research into finding economic methods for coal gasification.

These alternative methods of producing oil are not online now and will not be ready for many years, probably decades. They will only come of age with ever higher fuel costs.

People talk about Hydrogen fuel cells as a saving technology, but ignore the fact that they require methane as the source of the Hydrogen. There is practically unlimited Hydrogen in the sea water, but it takes as much energy to crack the covalent bonds in H2O as you can get from burning the H2

 

[Darren Ellis]

Maybe if I started commuting on a nice recumbent I'd get some happy! Just kidding, I'm happily married.

yeah, chicks dig recumbents! not! ...adds a certain geek factor to riding a bicycle...

Lot's of people wave when I'm riding down the road...sometimes with 5 fingers showing and sometimes with only one! ...something about get out of the road and onto the sidewalk? seriously though, it's amusing how ignorant people are to the laws governing bicycles riding in the road...it's like they didn't pay attention to drivers education classes or actually don't have a real clue... Bicycle riders are supposed to ride in traffic and obey all laws of an automobile. It's a kind of sweet revenge to see the price of gas rise in some ways... I know it'll have other economic impacts that won't be good, but a small part of me smiles when one of those huge SUV driving yuppie soccer moms who is so impatient flies around me with the horn blasting...

I may be in my mid 30s, but I'm still a kid at heart, who loves to ride his bicycle...now, it's starting to pay off!



-Darren

 

[Darren Ellis]

1. Canada has some significant reserves that are in tar sands where the technology is being developed.
2. The Colorado Plateau in western Colorado and eastern Utah has a great amount of immature Hydrocarbons tied up in what we call oil shales. Projects were under way 25 years ago to work out how to heat and mature this into crude, mostly by setting fires underground and cooking the shale. These projects got cancelled when the Reagan administration came into office.
3. The abyssal plains in the deep ocean basins have a great amount of Methane (natural gas) tied up in water ice in muddy sediments in the sea floor. They call this methane hydrate. At present we have no way to extract it.
4. There is an abundance of coal deposits around the world. The thirst for gasoline will undoubtedly drive research into finding economic methods for coal gasification.

These alternative methods of producing oil are not online now and will not be ready for many years, probably decades. They will only come of age with ever higher fuel costs.

People talk about Hydrogen fuel cells as a saving technology, but ignore the fact that they require methane as the source of the Hydrogen. There is practically unlimited Hydrogen in the sea water, but it takes as much energy to crack the covalent bonds in H2O as you can get from burning the H2

You hear this (above) Canadians, you're next!


We, as a world, need to get away from fossil fuels...



-Darren