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Does anybody have some new openings?
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Here is a variation on the rollover opening I have been working on. For the basic technique see the rollover opening on Clay's advanced page ( http://www.balisongxtreme.com/baliplanet2/adv.htm ). When the bali goes around your index finger and hits your thumb, continue the motion upwards and using your index or middle finger and thumb, toss the knife into the air. Let it do one full rotation than catch.
This is a bit harder to explai: perform the rollover opening but when the handle is in between the index finger and middle finger, continue rolling it so that it is between the middle and ring finger; than you can either close it or toss it.
This is a bit harder to explai: perform the rollover opening but when the handle is in between the index finger and middle finger, continue rolling it so that it is between the middle and ring finger; than you can either close it or toss it.
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I have one, but I can't make a vid to show you, so I'll just try to explain...
1. Hold your bali in closed position forehand grip. Safe or bite handle up doesn't matter.
2. Let go with all your fingers, except for the index finger (which should be close to the tang), and pull back with it.
3. This should alow the handle facing down to start moving, and the whole bali should spin around your index finger.
4. Once the handle that previously was facing the palm is coming over, catch it, then catch the other one, and the bali should now be helt in a backhand position.
(Note that this can also be done when bali is closed in BH position, and cauth open in FH pos.)
Lousy explenation, wasn't it... Well, if you didn't understand it, let me know, and I'll try to do a better try.
1. Hold your bali in closed position forehand grip. Safe or bite handle up doesn't matter.
2. Let go with all your fingers, except for the index finger (which should be close to the tang), and pull back with it.
3. This should alow the handle facing down to start moving, and the whole bali should spin around your index finger.
4. Once the handle that previously was facing the palm is coming over, catch it, then catch the other one, and the bali should now be helt in a backhand position.
(Note that this can also be done when bali is closed in BH position, and cauth open in FH pos.)
Lousy explenation, wasn't it... Well, if you didn't understand it, let me know, and I'll try to do a better try.
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ixpfah, are you talking about the "Rollover" on Clay's sight? It sounds the same, but I've never even thought of trying it from backhand to forward grip... I'll have to give it a try!
Hogman - Can't quite visualize that one. Sounds pretty rad though... try explaining it a little more... step by step.
Here's on for you ChungSan... Well, I'm not sure if this is new to anyone, as I've heard the "finger snap opening" mentioned before. But I'm not sure if that refers to an aerial or just a way to get the handles open to manipulate. (my only real reference is clay's site). In any case... here's a finger snap aerial that some of you may have seen before (avi 4.3m). Just get the bali between thumb and index (like you're going to hit a button on top of a pole) so it's parallel to your body and the ground. Snap your fingers while moving up slightly and the inertia of the handles flipping open will stop it's rotation at one half spin. Then, grit your teeth and catch it... One more tip... it's extremely important to keep the knife straight and level before the toss.
Hogman - Can't quite visualize that one. Sounds pretty rad though... try explaining it a little more... step by step.
Here's on for you ChungSan... Well, I'm not sure if this is new to anyone, as I've heard the "finger snap opening" mentioned before. But I'm not sure if that refers to an aerial or just a way to get the handles open to manipulate. (my only real reference is clay's site). In any case... here's a finger snap aerial that some of you may have seen before (avi 4.3m). Just get the bali between thumb and index (like you're going to hit a button on top of a pole) so it's parallel to your body and the ground. Snap your fingers while moving up slightly and the inertia of the handles flipping open will stop it's rotation at one half spin. Then, grit your teeth and catch it... One more tip... it's extremely important to keep the knife straight and level before the toss.
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No, not really... As I think of it, you don't really 'let go' of any handle. You just hold the bali in FG closed, pulling it a bit towards you using only your index finger to hold the bali. Then the handles sort of 'bounces' into a BH open grip.
I realize that it's hard to understand, but it's also hard to explain... I'll see if I can get a video of it, but I really can't promise anything.
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Okay forget the second move I mentioned. I'll try to do better with the first one. The basic motion is the same as the rollover opening on clay's site (see post above), where you roll over the index finger in to the backhand position. Towards the end of this opening there is a point where the handle swings around into place and hits your thumb. Than you jerk upwards to swing the opposite handle closed. Try the move on clays site first so you know what I am talking about. So when the handle hit your thumb and before the other handle comes up to finish the move, toss the knife into the air and let it do one rotation. The move looks cool because the knife does one rotation around your finger than another rotation in the air. Sorry, no vids but maybe I'll rob circuit city soon.
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Originally posted by ChungSan
Maybe something where the balisong doesn't leave my hand and travel in the air.
A wise man. I have taught several self-defence classes, as well as attended several. Bali's have the be the only knife related art that focus on cutting yourself repeatedly. Ahhh, a truely great hobby. Reminds me of kick after kick to the ribs to toughen up. BTW when is the back of my hand going to stop hurting?
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Hogman, is that first rollover ariel like the first vid on this page?
http://mcmahansbalisongpage.tripod.com/videos.htm
http://mcmahansbalisongpage.tripod.com/videos.htm
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Originally posted by ChungSan
Maybe something where the balisong doesn't leave my hand and travel in the air.
Alright, how 'bout this one... And I'm not sure if this is covered on Clay's site or not. Hold the bali upside down (latch up, punyo down), perpindicular to the ground by the safe handle, using the tip of your thumb and the pads on your index, middle and ring finger. The trick here is rest the indx, mdl, and ring finger across the bite handle as well, but not your thumb... you'll see why. Point the latch end toward your left shoulder (if you're using your right hand), and let the bite handle fall away while twisting the bali between your fingers (like the hand-sign for money... rubbing fingers together). As the handle swings away, begin tipping it toward an imaginary point about a foot in front of your right shoulder. In other words, the safe handle should be straight up and down when the bite handle is in the lowest part of it's swing. By the time you're pointing the bali away from your body, the handle will have snapped up into place, now open. The twisting is key, and is what gives the swinging handle a LOT of speed. At first, exagerate the tilting toward and away from your body, but with practice on the timing, the twist will take care of most of the work. This is one of those few moves that I consider to be a speed-opening (less than ½ sec.) If you don't understand, please let me know, as I want to beef up my instructional skills, and could use the feedback. 
I have a bear of time explaining things. 
Have fun!!!
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It takes some time, just like getting kicked to the ribs
. There are a few spots on my hands that have about an 1/8" hard bump on them. Come to think of it, it never really stops hurting because the more banging you can handle, the faster you'll go, and the more you'll have to get used to it.
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I'm pretty sure that this is on Clay's site. I looked for it, but I couldn't find it... If it's the one I think it is, that is.Originally posted by Blasto
Have fun!!!
I have one that I like to use in close quarters. It is hard to put into words (I found out after trying to break it down last night). Kind of unorthidox.
It involves taking the knife from a closed sabre grip to an open ice-pick position with a series of finger rolls ending in a sharp wrist action. All of which work really well close to the body and set up for a downward attack to the target of choice.
If I could capture it on a video, would someone be willing to let me email it to them and have them post it for viewing? Being illiterate in the computer world, I am having my son ask his buddy to render his services. (ChungSan, you may be interested in this on)!
Best regards to all,
It involves taking the knife from a closed sabre grip to an open ice-pick position with a series of finger rolls ending in a sharp wrist action. All of which work really well close to the body and set up for a downward attack to the target of choice.
If I could capture it on a video, would someone be willing to let me email it to them and have them post it for viewing? Being illiterate in the computer world, I am having my son ask his buddy to render his services. (ChungSan, you may be interested in this on)!
Best regards to all,
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I had one I sent to Clay a few months ago.
It's a really quick 'n easy one to do, I just hadn't seen it on his site (and therefor to me at the time.. didn't exist.
Starts backhand position. Holding the safe handle. Upright. Holding thumb and (I forget it's name) middle finger about in the middle of the handle. (This may differ between bali's.. mine is *very* handle heavy).
Let the other hand [Edit: handle] fall down and release all but the thumb and middle finger. Then, pull the middle finger back, push the thumb forward, rolling the handle.
[Big Picture note: You're going from backhand closed to foreward open, in one smooth motion.]
You're also scooping a little bit. It's turning in two ways.. around by twisting the handle, and around by going from open to closed. The bottom of the safe handle needs to clear between your thumb/third and down into your palm.
I found at the start it helped if I drew 2/3 of a circle in the air with my hand, started on the lower left rising to the right and around.
It's easier to do than to explain, so if you don't get it, just work on the basic principle of what I said until you arrive at something similiar to the big picture.
I call it the "Cartwheel".. I'm not so naive as to think it isn't already done and named, I just didn't seen it on Clay's site. It's a really fast and smooth opening.. no ricochets or wasted flashy time. Also my all-time favorite opening.
It's a really quick 'n easy one to do, I just hadn't seen it on his site (and therefor to me at the time.. didn't exist.
Starts backhand position. Holding the safe handle. Upright. Holding thumb and (I forget it's name) middle finger about in the middle of the handle. (This may differ between bali's.. mine is *very* handle heavy).
Let the other hand [Edit: handle] fall down and release all but the thumb and middle finger. Then, pull the middle finger back, push the thumb forward, rolling the handle.
[Big Picture note: You're going from backhand closed to foreward open, in one smooth motion.]
You're also scooping a little bit. It's turning in two ways.. around by twisting the handle, and around by going from open to closed. The bottom of the safe handle needs to clear between your thumb/third and down into your palm.
I found at the start it helped if I drew 2/3 of a circle in the air with my hand, started on the lower left rising to the right and around.
It's easier to do than to explain, so if you don't get it, just work on the basic principle of what I said until you arrive at something similiar to the big picture.
I call it the "Cartwheel".. I'm not so naive as to think it isn't already done and named, I just didn't seen it on Clay's site. It's a really fast and smooth opening.. no ricochets or wasted flashy time. Also my all-time favorite opening.
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Here's my recent favorite opening / closing in two motions of flipping out and in.
Flipping balisong from in to out, then out to in makes no change usually. But you can twist the grip handle 180 degree when the other handle is midway (makes 180 degree between handles). If you make the twist very quick compared to opening speed, flipping hanlde will finish the rest of its 360 degree travel facing backward. At the end of from-in-to-out flip, the blade will contact your knucle instead of handle. Then you can flip it back from out to in, into open position.
There are some options of this method. You can twist the handle either in flipping from in to out or in flipping out to in. Another option is twisting. You can twist it clockwise or counter clockwise.
Are these opening/closing new? Or somebody has already introduced it, or more advanced way?
Flipping balisong from in to out, then out to in makes no change usually. But you can twist the grip handle 180 degree when the other handle is midway (makes 180 degree between handles). If you make the twist very quick compared to opening speed, flipping hanlde will finish the rest of its 360 degree travel facing backward. At the end of from-in-to-out flip, the blade will contact your knucle instead of handle. Then you can flip it back from out to in, into open position.
There are some options of this method. You can twist the handle either in flipping from in to out or in flipping out to in. Another option is twisting. You can twist it clockwise or counter clockwise.
Are these opening/closing new? Or somebody has already introduced it, or more advanced way?