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does the native have liners?
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I'm not sure if it does either. If it does, it'll probably partial nested liners.
I don't think not having liners is that bad, I have a Dodo and had a Delica and I never missed them.
I don't think not having liners is that bad, I have a Dodo and had a Delica and I never missed them.
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Nope. Sorry.
It does not have liners, yet. Sal has mentioned a few times that he'd like to do a version with liners, but that may or may not ever come to be.
I think most people think you need liners without ever knowing any better. FRN can take a beating, there are countless reviews of people using FRN without liners and giving it a beating. The Spyderco FRN line is designed without liners on purpose, it's not just some cost-cutting strategy.
I'd still love to see a nested liner version in the future, just for piece of mind if nothing else.
I think most people think you need liners without ever knowing any better. FRN can take a beating, there are countless reviews of people using FRN without liners and giving it a beating. The Spyderco FRN line is designed without liners on purpose, it's not just some cost-cutting strategy.
I'd still love to see a nested liner version in the future, just for piece of mind if nothing else.
Esav Benyamin
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No liners, no excess, unnecessary weight, perfectly rigid, excellent grip due to an intelligent handle design. Completely ambidextrous opener and lockback and easily switched pocket clip.
As fine a knife as Spyderco ever made. You don't need liners. It FEELS cheap? -- how does something inside change the feel of a knife on the outside? If it's weight you want, get the stainless steel model.
As fine a knife as Spyderco ever made. You don't need liners. It FEELS cheap? -- how does something inside change the feel of a knife on the outside? If it's weight you want, get the stainless steel model.
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Liners are a must for me as much for the astetics as for the strengh. I'm a plastics tech. and work with glass filled nylon all day long, that is some really tough stuff but I still want liners.
Just a little reassurance. Recently I received a Spyderco Caly Jr. (VG10) and the action was a little stiff opening it. I decided to try and work the blade back and forth laterally by hand to losen it a little. Guess what happend? Snap!!! The blade broke at the base and the frn only scales never even came close to breaking. The Caly's FRN handle is very thin as well. So the thicker ones like on my S30V Native don't concern me one bit.
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No version of the Native has liners, unfortunately.
If liners are so useless, than why does Spyderco use them?
Take the Centofante for instance, with a full steel liner on one side. Or my paramilitary, with bilateral partial liners. Or the D`Allara.
But more importantly here is the fact that Benchmade uses them, which is sufficient enough for me.
Did I mention that, although the Centofante has the same steel, lock type, frn handles (of course, the Centofante's look nicer) blade length, etc, PLUS steel liners, it cost no more than the Native III? The cost savings are not readily apparent...
I actually consider the centofante to be a considerably nicer knife than the natives. I just used two different natives and a centofante today to compare.
But I digress: I, the person paying for my knives, want steel liners. It matters not what people believe about their necessity -- I want them, and I'm paying for them, so I'd better get them.
When I can get a Centofante for no more than a Native, or a minigrip with full bilateral steel liners made in America for 10 dollars more with an axis lock, I don't have to compromise. I can have it my way.
The Natives have excellent blade shape, ergonomics and look great to boot. Take it to the next level and give me what I want--bilateral liners.
If liners are so useless, than why does Spyderco use them?
Take the Centofante for instance, with a full steel liner on one side. Or my paramilitary, with bilateral partial liners. Or the D`Allara.
But more importantly here is the fact that Benchmade uses them, which is sufficient enough for me.
Did I mention that, although the Centofante has the same steel, lock type, frn handles (of course, the Centofante's look nicer) blade length, etc, PLUS steel liners, it cost no more than the Native III? The cost savings are not readily apparent...
I actually consider the centofante to be a considerably nicer knife than the natives. I just used two different natives and a centofante today to compare.
But I digress: I, the person paying for my knives, want steel liners. It matters not what people believe about their necessity -- I want them, and I'm paying for them, so I'd better get them.
When I can get a Centofante for no more than a Native, or a minigrip with full bilateral steel liners made in America for 10 dollars more with an axis lock, I don't have to compromise. I can have it my way.
The Natives have excellent blade shape, ergonomics and look great to boot. Take it to the next level and give me what I want--bilateral liners.
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Hi Intheusa,
The current FRN Native 1 or Native 3 does not have liners.
We've never had a strength issue with FRN without lliners. We've never had one break, bend or rust.
As Artfully Martial stated, some people just like liners, for whatever reasons they may have. Some feel that liners are uneccesary. Extra weight, thickness and something else to rust.
We usually add liners as a platform for the clip screws or where the lock design requires a liner. Sometimes we'll add a liner for additional rigidity or for additional strength when the customers (that's you) indicate you want them.
On the new Endura 4 and Delica 4, we have added liners. They are nested and skeletonized to keep the weight as low as possible without losing strength. (55.8 gms for the recent Delica, 70.1 gms for the Delica 4). It does add some weight, but we've managed to keep the thickness very close (9.25mm for old Delica, 9.94 for Delica 4). Nested liners are more complicated and more expensive to produce than full liners. But they produce a thinner knife.
The Native 1 weighs 74.5 gms, heavier than the new Delica, and is 11.45 mm thick, thicker than the new Delica. The blade on the Native is thicker (3mm as opposed to 2.5 mm for the Delica.
The Native 1 is CPM-S30V. If the steel matters to you, then the particle metallurgy steel ,makes a difference, if it doesn't, then it doesn't.
We have a design in the works for the Native with dual liners and a 4 way clip like the new Endura/DElica 4's, but it's still a year away from production. We'd like to get all of the input we can from our customers on the End/Del 4's.
sal
The current FRN Native 1 or Native 3 does not have liners.
We've never had a strength issue with FRN without lliners. We've never had one break, bend or rust.
As Artfully Martial stated, some people just like liners, for whatever reasons they may have. Some feel that liners are uneccesary. Extra weight, thickness and something else to rust.
We usually add liners as a platform for the clip screws or where the lock design requires a liner. Sometimes we'll add a liner for additional rigidity or for additional strength when the customers (that's you) indicate you want them.
On the new Endura 4 and Delica 4, we have added liners. They are nested and skeletonized to keep the weight as low as possible without losing strength. (55.8 gms for the recent Delica, 70.1 gms for the Delica 4). It does add some weight, but we've managed to keep the thickness very close (9.25mm for old Delica, 9.94 for Delica 4). Nested liners are more complicated and more expensive to produce than full liners. But they produce a thinner knife.
The Native 1 weighs 74.5 gms, heavier than the new Delica, and is 11.45 mm thick, thicker than the new Delica. The blade on the Native is thicker (3mm as opposed to 2.5 mm for the Delica.
The Native 1 is CPM-S30V. If the steel matters to you, then the particle metallurgy steel ,makes a difference, if it doesn't, then it doesn't.
We have a design in the works for the Native with dual liners and a 4 way clip like the new Endura/DElica 4's, but it's still a year away from production. We'd like to get all of the input we can from our customers on the End/Del 4's.
sal
Man Sal, your such a great guy.
I love ya, aswell as many others here i bet.
I will admit the lack of liners an adjustable pivot are only things i really want in a knife other then the obvious good blade steel you already provide.
Add a thumbstud for us nothern folks whom wear think massive gloves when its minus 30-40c, and i am all over your knives.
Merry Xmas to you all @ Spydie
WR
I love ya, aswell as many others here i bet.
I will admit the lack of liners an adjustable pivot are only things i really want in a knife other then the obvious good blade steel you already provide.
Add a thumbstud for us nothern folks whom wear think massive gloves when its minus 30-40c, and i am all over your knives.
Merry Xmas to you all @ Spydie
WR