does titanium dull faster than other metals?

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i bought a pat crawford titanium neck knife as a last ditch s.d. knife. my buddy got one on the same order as mine. when we got them he told me that ti dulls faster and is harder to sharpen than reg steel. i didnt think about it much becuase i didnt plan on using is as my primary cutter. but i was thinking of putting it in my hiking kit as a back up knife because it is soo light weight.

anyway my questions remains. does ti dull "faster"? and im pretty sure it is "harder" (takes longer?) to sharpen. right?

-CB
 
Titanium is not steel at all - it's titanium.

It does not take a good edge, nor does it retain a good edge.

As a knife material, its advantages are light weight, rust resistance and toughness.

Best used as a dive knife for prying shell fish off rocks.


It also makes great airplane frames!
 
You need to go to the Mission Knives web-site. Mission's Beta Titanium takes and holds a very sharp edge. I can shave with mine. It is also very wear resistant. Titanium is not steel but it offers other benefits. I would not part with my Mission knives.
 
Squeeze---Who did you hear it from? Go to the Source. Or, ask STR what he thinks of Titanium. Considering the application, Titanium is hard to beat.
 
Squeeze---Who did you hear it from? Go to the Source. Or, ask STR what he thinks of Titanium. Considering the application, Titanium is hard to beat.

I could defintely be wrong

But here's where I remembered it from:
http://www.worldknives.com/info/steels-used-by-knife-makers-6.html

"TITANIUM is only a marginally acceptable metal for a knife blade. It cannot be hardened much past the mid 40's of the Rockwell C scale, and that's spring, or throwing knife territory. Aside from that, I'm sure that there will soon be collectable titanium knives on many custom makers tables, designed to catch collectors, and not for cutting."
 
I gotta give +1 to Mission Knives. Their knives ARE very sharp and DO hold an edge doe a long time. DO check 'em out.
 
The Beta ti used in mission knives is much better than say, 6al4v ti, which is the most commonly seen. I've read it hardens up to RC 50 or thereabouts. That's still less than your cheap 420j type junk knives. It holds an edge nothing like a good steel. Yes, I have two mission knives. If I had to do it again I would have gotten the version with the A2 blades they sell. They are expensive and very well made though.

There's a lot of great uses for Ti. Knife blades aren't it though. Joe
 
Apples---Oranges. Of course Titanium can't out cut steel. It was not developed for cutting. There's no sense in comparing the two. For an all purpose, will not rust or break knife, a Titanium knife is for me.
 
Ti knives are also non-magnetic so they are sometimes used by EOD types, etc. They do have their usefulness for some tasks, but if you're looking for a good EDC knife I would stick to steel.
 
Flackjacket---Back in the 80's, a well known maker told me he tried all the stainless steels and they would not cut as well as his A-2 tool steel. It's 2008, and he is still using A-2. I have to agree with him.
 
There's a lot of myths surrounding titanium. Firstly, as we're discussing, it makes for a very poor blade material. The most common alloy is 6Al4V (6% aluminum, 4% vanadium), and while it's very strong and light, it sucks for knife blades. It really can't be heat treated, it's soft and when you get down to the edge, it's weak and brittle for cutting applications. The advantages are that it's light, non-magnetic, and won't rust (there's no iron) or otherwise destructively oxidize (all titanium in fact instantly oxidizes, just like aluminum, but the layer of oxidization doesn't corrode or discolor). This makes it a good choice for hold-out, last ditch self defense knives (where you only need to make a cut/stab or two), diving knives, and Navy divers who need to disarm magnetically activated mines. But for a tool that gets used daily, it's a bad choice.

Mission's Beta Ti is a slightly different beast; it can be heat hardened and is more suitable as a blade material, but at its best, it's comparable to the lowest quality flea market crap knife steels (and even then, the crap steel might outperform Beta Ti, and it's certainly easier to sharpen). If you absolutely MUST have a working knife made from Ti, Mission is the way to go.

If you simply want a blade that won't ever rust (magnetism and weight be damned), there's better options than titanium. One is Stellite 6k or Talonite, which are cobalt alloys. They're harder than titanium, softer than all but the softest knife steels, but it's greatest property (other than being rust-proof) is it's slickness. Because it's so slick, it doesn't dull as quickly because there's less friction. So even though it's softer, its edge retention is as good as most any mid level blade steel. They use these cobalt alloys in the blade fans of jet engines because they wear down less than aluminum, steel, or titanium (air friction can actually grind away at the blades in jet engines). If Stellite 6K or Talonite is just too expensive (it is expensive, and quite difficult to work with), there's the very economical option of H1 or X1.5 steels (which use nitrogen instead of carbon) used by Spyderco and Benchmade. Despite being mostly iron, these "steels" simply will not ever, ever rust.



The other myth regarding titanium is in how strong it is. Titanium is not necessarily stronger than steel. Steel of the right alloy, with the right heat treatment will always be stronger than titanium. So if strength is what you want (weight be damned), steel will be the way to go. Where titanium has the advantage is in the strength-to-weight ratio. The easiest example to look at (for me, anyway) is in bicycle frames. The 3 most common metals used are aluminum, steel, and titanium (there's also scandium, and of course carbon fiber, but that's not what we're talking about here). A steel frame will always be stronger. Theoretically, you could make a titanium frame stronger than a steel frame by using more titanium, but that defeats the point in having a titanium frame in the first place. Titanium is used in some bikes because you can make a very strong frame (and other components)--stronger than aluminum--lighter than a steel one. Aluminum is commonly used (extremely common) because it's much lighter than steel, and sufficiently strong. The advantage of using titanium over aluminum is weight and strength, but it's far, far more expensive. Titanium also has different properties that make for a different ride (titanium is a lot springier than Al, steel, or CF). For example, on a rigid frame (no suspension) single speed, a Ti fork will absorb more shock than a steel fork, but it'll be bouncier. This comes down to personal preference. Anyway...


The myth of superior titanium blades will continue because the myth perpetuates itself. People who make movies don't know better, or if they do, they assume the audience won't. For example, Wesley Snipe's silver-etched titanium sword in the "Blade" movies. Also, there's the Shick Quattro Titanium razor blades. Pay attention to the commercial. They say the blades are titanium. They're not. They're steel, like any other razor blade, but coated with titanium nitride (TiN), which is a common knife blade coating, and also used on high-speed tools for machining. But the public doesn't know WTF titanium nitride is, and titanium sounds "cool" (because of people who believe the myth), so that's what they say in the commercial.
 
i've read about Titanium knives that are embedded with diamond dust to make them cut better.

You can't shave with them, but they'll cut through anything.

Now is this an urban legend, or is there some fact?
 
Warren Thomas makes titanium knives with carbides embedded in the edge. I haven't heard about diamond imbued titanium. I think it's probably BS. Any sort of embedding or coating would be at the mercy of the strength of the material holding it. For one thing, the dust would have to stay embedded in the titanium, and secondly, it wouldn't make the blade (edge) any stronger, so any rolling or chipping due to the soft and brittle nature of a thin titanium edge would make the blade useless despite being coated with diamond dust.

Any real application would likely be a file, griding wheel, saw blade, or something of that sort. And it'd be steel.
 
Haven't heard of that one.... Note that my avatar , Dangermouse , has a titanium belt buckle which saved him more than once !!!
 
Planterz Thank You Very Much. Great Information. It Will Continue To Be My Last Ditch And Rapper Knife ( I Wear It On A Chain Cause It Cost As Much As A Jeweled Pendant And Looks As Purty As One). Thanks For All Your Help Guys
 
Planterz, I own several Mission knives and while much of what you say is accurate, Titanium edges may be a lot of things but BRITTLE is not one of them. I have used my Mission mpf 3 Ti plain edge to cut metal wire before when I was too lazy to go get a pair of wire cutters, the knife was not real sharp at the time at did this, so after I had cut several pieces of small metal wire a tiny portion of edge rolled. Sharpened it back up, no problem. I have abused the knife to no end and every hunting season it gets whacked againest plenty of bone while skinning deer, ducks, squirrels, geese, etc. duckes and geese because we breast em out, and it has never chipped. Just my two cents, it would seem that something that is springy like the beta ti, would also have a difficult time of being brittle.
 
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