Donating knifes to the troops.

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Some here will know of where I'm coming from. Some will not. Stay with me, please.

A few makers here, have donated knives for the troops. So have I. It's the main reason I don't offer many for sale anymore.

However, the ones that do donate, may want my take on WHY it's important, and to whom they should go:

It was 1970, and I was headed to Viet Nam. I was a helicopter pilot. I had never heard of Bo Randall, nor his knifes. I brought along a 3 blade folder, a Uncle Henry, if memory serves. I had long been into knives for work and knew how to get an edge with the stones available. I sharpened many, for many that needed it done, and they didn't have a clue.

I got shot down twice on my tour. The first time was near the DMZ, Firebase Fuller. We took an RPG into the fuselage. (it was a CH-47 Chinook).

We hit hard, but with the help of some slicks nearby (Hueys, no guns), we got picked up within the hour.

The last time was in Laos, march of 71. It was an operation to stem the tide of materials on the Ho Chi Min trail. (you can read about it in the book "Into Laos" used, on Amazon, probably).

Anyway, this time I didn't get picked up right away and had to scramble. The crew was scattered, most dead. I attempted to break through the plexiglas to get at the codebook and weapons, but my little Uncle Henry wouldn't do. I left it behind. I had my .38 and sheath knife I picked up in Hawaii on R and R.
This one was a Schrade, I think. (heavy as hell). The Army didn't issue decent knives. I don't know how it's done now.

Anyway, to get to the point, most troops need a knife in crisis. Not to hack their way out, or survive in the wild. They need to break a window, cut a rope, make do with what they have. If it takes longer than a day to get rescued, they probably won't be.

The knife to be donated should be light enough so they don't leave it at base camp. It should be about 4-5" blade length. Kydex is good now, most will adapt it to their gear. A hollow grind, a flat gind, even a convex is ok. Most won't know how to sharpen it. Anything that flashes is not good. A coating is preferable. I use a bluing solution.

Now, to whom: People on their own. Pilots, snipers, recon, Rangers especially, and those doing dull duty as drivers. (it ain't dull when an IED goes off).

Most Air Force (in MY experience) don't do this kind of stuff. Army and Marines, do. My group is covered, so I'm not soliciting anything.

If you want to do good here, then just do a little research, and adopt a unit. Just remember to ask what they are doing before you send, ok?
 
Thanks for your service to our country... in the 70's and now. I think it is cool that so many on BFC supports our troops edged needs.

Allen
 
good going bodfish. someone needs to look out for our guys and gals who are serving our country. i was in the airforce reserves. my avitar is of a knife i made for my friends son in law who is now in afghanistan. his job is a rigger but he is on a team protecting a major for the time being, then he goes to iraq. the day before he headed out he called to thank me for the knife. he said it was much better than what he was issued and a whole lot sharper. i cant wait to hear from him and see how he likes it.
 
I just returned from some needed solitude, and got back on the forum. I was searching for any threads I started that needed a reply. Now, one is missing.
the one titled "taking deposits?"

Now, I'm not even close to being the sharpest knife in the room. However, I have fought for my country and believe in the 1st Ammendment to the Constitution to the max. I risked my life for this. And so did many of my brethren.

So, how did an entire thread get lost? Who is responsible? This thread educated the most people, got the most response from the most respected people in the business, and was, in my mind, a valuable resource for us all. What the hell happened?
 
Bodfish, I'm picking up what you're laying down bro.

I also agree from experience and feedback, most of the military folks are looking in the 4-5 inch range or smaller!

I posted this back in Dec. The offer still stands from both of us.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440969&highlight=coombs

Here is my most popular style with guys over there now:
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Another variant:
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Some Pilots from Maine wanted a few of these to wear on their flight suits. They only have a 2 3/4" blade:
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Carry on....
Scott
 
Scott I mentioned on another thread that we should start another
thing for the troops but no reaction..
I wonder if we can get all together and get something rolling again..
 
Good post, Bodfish:thumbup:

I am currently working with Gene Wentz on a functional knife design for our troops in the field.
I don't normally make knives for the military and do not have such experience but Gene on the other hand has a lifetime of experience. Mostly in Vietnam. He is the author of the book; Men in Green Faces an excellent read.
He is compiling some drawings and notes for me to work with along with our conversations.
I want to give knives that troops can use. My hope is that working with Gene will give me some insight into what will serve them best.
I just got off the phone with Gene and promised him the first knife to honor his service. He got very quiet.
We can not give, to much, to the people that do the fighting for us.
Fred
 
That's Cool Fred, good of you to that and I hope it turns out well.. :thumbup:
I'm realizing some good things now to be able to do more than before for my comrades out there..

Now that My ReCon is being mass produced
I'm working on a new shorter version of the Recon XLII (2)
one that Tops also wants to look at,
and I'm thinking too, a Folder designed My way, hoping these all will serve some of the different needs that our guys face.
because they do have different needs depending where they are and the duties they are assigned..
Being a Vietnam War Vet Myself I have my own personal thoughts on this subject.

In The past I had my different thoughts about manufactured Knives but that has changed some, if we have the ability to have some say in how they are mass manufactured, it makes them a bit more personal and a bit better quality at less of a price than made by hand.

we just can't personally donate enough to fill the demand I know that I can't, we need to eat also..
SO, a good price would be the next avenue to get more of our knives out there.

At the very least being able to work with the manufacturer I now can now get more knives out there in their hands, than I ever could before by making them myself and donating them and that's one big thing I'm happy to see happening,
along with the donations of course..
.. the more out there the better..

I feel a little odd about more of my knives being sold this way,
BUT in turn I look at it like this, the more sold, the more I can donate, and with military discounts I can do even more ..
I hope this makes sense
 
Scott I mentioned on another thread that we should start another
thing for the troops but no reaction..
I wonder if we can get all together and get something rolling again..

I'm in, and I'm sure Lamont is too. I've got a few little pricks already profiled out from an earlier run. They seem to be real popular. I could probably squeeze something else in too. Lets talk....
Scott
 
I'm in, and I'm sure Lamont is too. I've got a few little pricks already profiled out from an earlier run. They seem to be real popular. I could probably squeeze something else in too. Lets talk....
Scott

scott I'll get settled in from being away and get on this:)
 
I hope I can express my gratitude enough in this post.......but not too damn likely.

The both of you have shown what a few individuals can do to make a difference. Tang, you have it down, brother, and I hope you continue on this quest. Dan, no need to explain your marketing. What you do is simply the tits!

I wish that more makers would take up the cause. It doesn't take much. If you hear of a guard unit being deployed, you can know that these guys could use a sponsor. Take it on yourself to be one.

As for me, I'm not able to make the knifes I used to make, and have been counseling combat vets lately. Besides, I can't approach the quality that most of you here take for granted. I'm hitting the road, and helping where I can.

My mission has changed......I need to actually go where the trouble is, and talk some experience, and some wisdom. God knows I've made all their mistakes before they even visualize what they may do when they get back.

Do what you can, and Godspeed to you all.
 
I just got off the phone with Gene and promised him the first knife to honor his service. He got very quiet.

Fred

I'm not ignoring you, Fred, it's just that I know from where Gene is coming from.
After all my service, and all my medals, and after all this time.........there was ONE time that someone actually said to me, "Thank you for your service, and WELCOME home."

This was on the internet, on a forum I used to frequent, and I cried like a baby for hours, afterwards....Can you imagine? Nobody had said this to me before. And it all happened more than 30 years before.

But, no one had said it. Nobody had said; the magic words.........."Welcome home."

How "did" they know? It was a transformation for me. No longer was I restless malcontent, a loner, and a cynic.

I was actually "welcomed" in my country after decades of thinking that I should have stayed behind.........the power of words is an amazing thing. I had no idea that I could be moved by such a simple phrase. Try it soon, on a vet you think is strange..........and see what happens. It's magic.
 
.........."Welcome home."
I don't think I ever got that
I'm not to sure, very many people knew I was even gone for 3 years.. it don't really matter but it does if you know what I mean..:confused:

I can still remember in boot camp standing there saluting the flag during the anthem and tears welling up in my eyes, only because I was now apart of the
cause, there to help where they would put me and to do what I could that was asked of me I was theirs for the next 3 years on a 3X3.. damn I was a proud 18 year old...
there are very few things I'd change now.
other than making sure my service records were in good order before I transferred out, I'm partly service connected and could be more so if they didn't screw my records up so badly,, to deal with it now is a nightmare.. but we're dealt with what we were dealt with, I shouldn't be saying this but I'm sure others are in the same boat and have their feeling about it.. anyway

I'm slow on this knife donation stuff but it will get done with the most maximum effect I can muster up.. like I always say there is a Method to my madness.:)
 
I don't think I ever got that
I'm not to sure, very many people knew I was even gone for 3 years.. it don't really matter but it does if you know what I mean..:confused:

Dan, it's up to me then.

WELCOME HOME.........brother.

It's been a long time coming, and every vet should hear it at least once. I salute you, and pray you do well.

CW2 Mike Vaughn
A Co, 159th ASHB
101st Airborne Division

Mission was accomplished.
 
Welcome home to both of you!

Four Vietnam vets in particular had a profound effect on my life. At home, I had two uncles and a neighbor that served in the Navy and Marines respectively. I don't remember them leaving, but I distinctly remember each of them returning.

We had a cookout/party for my neighbor (Marine). I can remember him being very thin-gaunt looking really. His clothes just hung off him. I remember overhearing his wife telling my mother how he didn't sleep well, and was sleeping on their floor. As a kid, I couldn't understand why he would do that. That was a long time ago, but I remember being proud of them and proud to be at that party. He was like a celebrity to me. Through the years, I loved to listen to my uncles' stories. They were mostly about their buddies, and the antics they pulled on each other, etc. Their service, and my grandfather's, (Army Infantry, European Theater, WW2) was a big part of why I joined up myself at 17! They all had quite an effect on me. It was never a question of if, just when I would join.

The next Nam Vet that really had an impact on me was and old 1st class Gunners Mate I served with in the Gulf during the Tanker Wars in the 80's. Anyone remember the Reagon's re-flagged Kuwaiti tankers, mines in the Gulf, the USS Stark, Roberts, and Vincennes? Anyway, I transferred TAD to an SBU/PBR unit doing tanker escort, boardings, etc. When I transferred in, I was quite nervous. I was pretty sure I'd do ok, but I had never been in combat before so....

This old first class GMG had served aboard PBRs in Vietnam and was salty as hell. Lets just say, after a few days out with him, I felt a whole lot better about our prospects! I mean alot better! The first time I saw him cut loose with a .50 cal I knew this guy was for real. I'd never seen anyone shoot like that. Using his experience from Nam, he taught us snot-nosed kids (his words) alot! He wasn't the easiest person in the world to get along with, but I can't begin to tell you how happy I was he was around. I'm sure the things he taught us saved our bacon at least a few times. My hat's off to all you guys.

From me and my family, Welcome Home to all Vets who read this, and thank you for everything!

Scott
 
Dan, it's up to me then.

WELCOME HOME.........brother.

It's been a long time coming, and every vet should hear it at least once. I salute you, and pray you do well.

CW2 Mike Vaughn
A Co, 159th ASHB
101st Airborne Division

Mission was accomplished.

Thanks Mike that was nice of you :) I don't do well excepting thanks for something I feel evey man should do, but for those that don't join I understand also, I just ask them not to tell me I should not have.. that gets them my atention that they might not like.

the Mission by each and every man has a place and a reason be it today or yesteryear, freedon is not free but it is ours,, Mission accomplished. :thumbup:
 
This is your home. You were willing to put your life on the line for it. That says more than any words can express.
Thank you:thumbup:

Fred
 
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