Don't just sit there...You HAVE to get mad!

archieblue

archieblue

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I'm MAD because good people are being hurt against the good of humanity. I love EVERYONE and this is making me SICK.

-you- are being hurt and stolen from.

I'm SICK and tired of seeing all of this acceptance of knife confiscation. I'm pissed! First of all... Pollitically Correctness has DEFINATELY gotten the better of most Americans. When someone hears the word "KNIFE" they SEE BLOOD. This is NO MISTAKE. It is planted in their head as possibly bad, and finally just BAD. Fight fire with fire and call them "EDGED TOOLS," which is more accurate anyway. There is no remotely possible way to justify STEALING someone's tools. I don't care who it is or where you are... If SIX FLAGS won't allow admitance with an edged tool then don't go to SIX FLAGS and write them a letter to let them know WHY you will not help fund their business.

A knife is a tool, but an extraordinary one! There is no question why you want to bring a knife to (for example) The Statue of Liberty... in case the freakin' thing comes down and you need to eat the dead to survive (kidding, but you undrestand). From cutting a bagel to opening a package in the giftshop... the uses of this tool go on and on. Any other tool does not fit in here... It would be strange to carry a ratchet and socket set to the Statue of liberty... I believe a few questions might be in order there...

If someone (ANYONE) takes your edged tool for any reason unless you are on their property and there is a CLEARLY posted sign, place him/her under citizens arrest for theft. GRAND theft if it's a good knife... This is NO joke... It DOES exist! All you have to say is that under your constitutional rights you are allowed to carry such a tool. Any human trying to seperate you from your property is doing such illegally. PERIOD. If this person does not take you seriously, next charge them with evading arrest. Ask a LEO to assist you even if the confiscating person is a LEO. UNLIKE STEALING SOMEONES KNIFE, this order is perfectly legal and just.

The truth is that a knife IS NOT a weapon any more than a rock or a stick, screwdriver, pen or pencil. It is first and foremost a TOOL, and provided the correct guidance, ANY COURT OF LAW can PLAINLY be shown the facts. Folks in a position of confiscating are not of any authority. They have been told over and over that they are and THEY DO actually BELIEVE they are... the truth is they are just another human who will be put into place when the time comes... you just have to give up some time and comfort to put them in their place. They can push you around all they want.... When a court of law comes into play and a decision is made by your peers, the tables WILL change. Juries are our LAST line of defense against unjust law. A Court of Law is the last place freedom exists. EVEN the jurors are told that they are not free to make their own decisions based on human instinct of right and wrong which is a LIE. You are not free on the street. You can be hauled in for LITERALLY nothing. NO Criminal offense is made by you. You are suspect. While "Profiling" is illegal "Suspecting" is not. Pollitically corredtness at it's finest...terminology being the ONLY difference between you sitting in your home and you sitting in jail.

Hurting prople is illegal for a good reason. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason (by defination of the WORD "reason")for ANY knife to be illegal. YOU ARE GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION TO A TOOL.

Pretty soon you will go to jail and then YOU will be the TOOL!

Take Road flares as an example... People drive around with a pack of road flares in their trunk... does that mean that they are PLANNING to break down at night??? NO... they are PREPARED just like you.

YOU DO HAVE A REASON to have a knife on you AT ALL TIMES... That good 'ol Boyscout motto... "Be Prepared" I can't think of a better way to be prepared than to have humankinds oldest and most useful tool right at hand... The Edged Tool.

THERE IS reason to carry a knife at all times.
THERE IS NO reason to let someone take it from you.
 
I feel for you, but you should have left it in the car.
As soon as you saw the metal detectors, you should have turned around and gone back to the car.

If I had not done that, and went all the way to security and they found it, I would have demanded that they return it so I can put it in the car.

If they refused to return my knife, I would have spent the day around the park starting small fires so that they have to shut down, or caused some other sort of mayhem.
 
If someone (ANYONE) takes your edged tool for any reason unless you are on their property and there is a CLEARLY posted sign, place him/her under citizens arrest for theft.
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It's important to understand that private establishments may legally exclude people for just about any reason. A good example would be a restaurant that requires gentlemen to wear jackets and ties at dinner. If you are not appropriately attired, they can legally exclude you and if you refuse to leave, then they can charge you with civil trespassing.

If they have posted a sign declaring the requirement, then simply entering that establishment without the required dress is civil trespassing. They don't need to ask you to leave, they can charge you just for entering.

However, they can NOT legally "confiscate" the tee shirt you are wearing. "Confiscation" is a legal act done by a public authority, usually a court or a sworn police officer, taking your lawfully-owned private property from you on behalf of the public. A restaurant or other private business has no legal authority to take your lawfully-owned property, be it a tee shirt or a knife, away from you. It doesn't matter if the person involved has a title such as "Chief of Security" or happens to be wearing a tin badge.

In such a situation, do not allow the word "confiscate" to be used. Interrupt politely and correct the person immediately saying, "Confiscate is a legal word with a distinct legal meaning. You have no legal authority to confiscate my lawfully-owned private property. When you use the word 'confiscate', you are implying that you have a legal authority that you do not have. You are usurping the authority of a sworn police officer. In doing so, you are legally impersonating a police officer which is a serious crime. For your own legal protection, please do not use the word 'confiscate' to describe your actions. You are taking my legal property from me, against my will, and without legal authority. The legal term for that is theft. So, please say that you are stealing my knife from me."

Keep in mind that this applies only to private property. Public facilities are a different matter entirely.
 
Originally posted by archieblue
If this person does not take you seriously, next charge them with evading arrest. Ask a LEO to assist you even if the confiscating person is a LEO. UNLIKE STEALING SOMEONES KNIFE, this order is perfectly legal and just.
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I feel your pain, and agree wholeheartedly, but I can just see you trying to citizens arrest a cop. Especially trying to get some bystander to help you arrest a cop (or citizen for that matter). Even farther from reality is trying to get a cop's partner or coworker to help you arrest him. Do you actually think the partner is going to take your side?? Good luck next time your knife is confiscated (or stolen) trying to institute a citizen's arrest. Though it is written somewhere in the law giving you the right (for certain situations only), it is very, very, very rare to actually see it in use.

Mike

Edited to add: Just found this link which says that Citizen's arrest is not allowed in North Carolina. Instead it is called Citizen's detention. Play on words only I guess, but allowed only in certain situations.
 
You go to great pains to make clear a knife is a tool and not a weapon, and then claim a "constitutional right" to carry your "tool". Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. You actually have more constituitional right to carry a weapon than you do a screwdriver, wrench, or any other object. The 2nd Amendment cleary gives (no, recognizes, actually) the inherent right to go armed. But when you deny your knife is a weapon, you ironically lose any constitutional standing you may have.
 
"If this person does not take you seriously, next charge them with evading arrest. Ask a LEO to assist you even if the confiscating person is a LEO. UNLIKE STEALING SOMEONES KNIFE, this order is perfectly legal and just."


:rolleyes:

Reminds me of the dialogue from "A Few Good Men":

"your honor, I object"
"Overruled"
"Your honor, I STRENUOUSLY object"
 
When I worked in a law office there were several detectives employed within. We discussed in great length the topic of citizens arrest. One detective said that just like the police, you and I can detain and/or arrest anyone for any reason. And like the police, you can get MAJORLY SCREWED for false arrest. You see someone run a red light... YOU CAN place them under detention until the cops show up... even if THAT PERSON is a police officer in a police car. Just like the police, this requires more paperwork than anyone whats to mess with, but it is a just action and will be backed up by a court of law. You have to give up A LOT of time, and possibly money... The magic word here is LAW. Right or wrong, if it's the LAW, SOMEHOW, it's just OK. Citizens arrest IS upheld by LAW. Police arrest is upheld by LAW. If you play your cards honestly, you SHOULD be alright.

The MAJOR problem here and what seems to be the question at hand is ticketing/arresting a police officer.

Personally, I don't WANT to go through any of the detention process, and that's why I'm not a Cop. Just because I CAN arrest people DOES NOT mean that I'm gonna go LOOKING for trouble. I see police cars not use their blinker when changing lanes... they run yellow/red lights... just like you and I. Human and governed under the same LAWS as you and I. Should we NEED Internal Affairs roaming the streets waiting for a Black and White to screw up... NO NO NO... They work FOR YOU and YOU need to let them know when they slipping up. It's a favor, just like this post.

You could not MAKE me hurt a person, and I think that if you are trying to take my edged tool away from me because 1 in 1,000 people have the capacity to hurt people, your a D!CK, and I'm gonna call you on it.

I'm NOT taking a stab at any ONE genre of human activity or police as who they are or what they stand for. If you are a cop, it's up to you whether your part of the problem or not... It's THAT SIMPLE... IT'S UP TO YOU! In fact my only intention is to instill thought for EVERYONE. I love police for their niche in human activity and for the good that they do every day. I DO believe that EVERYONE has a good heart.

Too many HUMANS are in their job for the wrong reasons. Usually money. Most people are simply brainwashed and actually believe that the less knives there are out there, the less likely they are to get hurt... Not to mention that the TELEVISION has shown us all how violent and painful such an ordeal could be. Let's not forget that most people are terrified of blood and pain.

I AM MAKING A POINT that ANYONE who supports knife confistation is SICK and WRONG. SICK as in absolutely unreasonably out of their mind, and WRONG as in NOT CORRECT.

There seems to be a commom view that a police officer is not a regular person. THat they are something that you and I are not. This is COMPLETELY not true. When I see a person, I see a PERSON... not an employee of society. ...a beautiful human... I see a person with their own thoughts and desires, yet at the same time %99 the same as every other ant in this ant farm we call Earth. I don't care if you're a woman or man, truck driver, restaurant owner, Congressman, a police officer or the freaking president. If you take a non-violent human's property, your a sh!t muncher. If you justify it as "disarming," you disarm your brother, you disarm your alies and yourself. I don't want to find out what the point of it all really is either because it is unreasonable which usually points to malicious intent.

My actual face to face EXPERIENCE with police is that the popular belief is that it is NOT THEIR JOB to QUESTION laws, but to uphold them AND doing so makes money for their establishment and sets them up for future promotion...how can you lose?!!

There's only ONE way to lose...Let's just pray that there IS a Hell. Then people will find out what they stood for when there was a chance to make a positive difference. I'll tell you right now... if there is a God, he/she is smiling at me right now. Because I'm taking my personal time to talk to you readers about what I stand for. I'm spilling MY emotions out to people I don't know (and as society teaches, shouldnt care about) and taking a beating for it. Simply put, I stand for GOODNESS. I hope that's not a problem.
 
Bud, steel-toed boots are some of the best weapons around. You can wear them in places that forbid weapons. Better than brass knuckles. Take out a knee, take out a pair of nuts. Like all weapons, you just have to train to use them.:)
 
as per your second to last sentence,
No one is giving you a beating... notice most everyone is agreeing with you, and giving you their opinion on what they would do if they were in your shoes.

You wanna watch a BF blanket party? look for the posts by VikingSwordsman on the Tactics and Training forums...
 
archieblue...you are correct in asserting that a knife is a tool. However, I believe that most people would agree on the fact that a knife serves a dual role as both a tool AND an weapon. Why is this so hard to accept?:D I think the underlying issue here is the general public views on the legitimate usage of weapons in society. In essence, if the public viewed the carrying of knives for self defense as a "legitimate" activity, than I believe that this arguement would be moot.
 
You guys and your second ammendment.......it's simple here. You carry any kind of knife and your breaking the law. So every day when I walk out of my apartment with a folder or my leatherman, I know that if I get caught I have no reprisal. See....simple.;)
 
Even farther from reality is trying to get a cop's partner or coworker to help you arrest him. Do you actually think the partner is going to take your side??
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Little known fact of a Private Persons Arrest, the Police (or other responsible agency) MUST assist you in making the arrest. If they do not they are committing a felony. This is not something cops want you to know. They are bound by law to take any person placed under a "private persons arrest" into custody. Before I became a LEO I had logged over 2 dozen Private Persons Arrests (18 for felonies, with three getting life sentences under three strikes). They do happen all the time.

Be warned however! If you screw up and make a false charge you face the full liability. One condition of the LEO having to take custody is that they assume NO responsibilty for the arrest. If you get sued, there is nobody there to back you up. Make sure the hook is a clean hook. Otherwise you WILL lose everything to some scumback lawyer.

In such a situation, do not allow the word "confiscate" to be used. Interrupt politely and correct the person immediately saying, "Confiscate is a legal word with a distinct legal meaning. You have no legal authority to confiscate my lawfully-owned private property. When you use the word 'confiscate', you are implying that you have a legal authority that you do not have. You are usurping the authority of a sworn police officer. In doing so, you are legally impersonating a police officer which is a serious crime.
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Sorry, that is just not true. To be found guilty of impersonating a peace officer, there are strict guide lines that must be met. None of these guide lines are met in the above situation. A few of the guide lines are as follows. The offending party MUST identify themself as a peace officer in such a manner that a resonable person would believe them to be a peace officer. This can be verbal or visual. Such as yelling "stop, Police" or by showing a fake badge or a fake uniform. However, the key term is a resonable person. If you show a badge with Donald Duck on it, it is unlikely that you will be found guilty, the same is true if your uniform is marked with Goofy patches. There have been cases of guys being found not guilty for these exact reasons.

Here is an example of a real life event. When I was working on base we showed up for role call in full uniform. On Halloween night I had duty but wanted to attend a party on the way to base (I went on duty at 2200) I showed up to the party in uniform with two slight changes. I had a black wind breaker that had BATF on the back over my normal uniform shirt and I was wearing a pig mask (my duty weapon was locked up in my vehicle BTW). Was I impersonating a BATF agent? No. Why? No reasonable person would be lead to believe that I was a BATF Agent considering the pig mask and the fact that it was Halloween night.

By mearly claiming the authority of a peace officer you are in no way impersonating a peace officer. If someone pulled up along side your vehicle and told you to pull over because you were speeding and that they were going to issue you a ticket, would you belive them to be a peace officer? Not likely.

The only reason I am pointing this out is to keep anyone from actually trying to arrest someone for impersonating a peace officer in the above quoted situation. Like I said, you WILL get sued.
 
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