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Double edge boot knife in Pa?
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Pennsylvania only prohibits the carry of push-button switchblades, nothing else (Pennsylvania - Pa. CSA 18.908). There are however cities that have tighter restrictions on knife carry that could affect a knife like this.
On a practical matter, it's a stupid type of knife to carry. Double edged are dangerous for most day-to-day utilitarian tasks, and daggers are more suited to assassination (killing a non-aggressive, unaware opponent) than defense because of how they work.
On a practical matter, it's a stupid type of knife to carry. Double edged are dangerous for most day-to-day utilitarian tasks, and daggers are more suited to assassination (killing a non-aggressive, unaware opponent) than defense because of how they work.
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well i would agree a dagger was designed for assassination but a kitchen knife can do the same thing ( im not disagreeing with you. and i am not trying to offend im just giving my experience with double edge knives) I have used double edge knives for edc and if the blade is broad enough it can be used for edc and camp task( you may just need to bring an axe or tomahawk to subistute for wood work task), but you just can't use certain grips with a dagger and i have gone camping with one a couple times and it was nice becasue i had one side serrated and one plain edge. My question is why not just carry a single edge boot knife cause that would bring less attention if you are edcing it
I wanted a dagger just cuz I always thought they where cool 
I saw that knife and figured for the price it would be cool to pick one up 
I say, if you like a particular knife, for any reason, and if you want to carry it, and if it's legal to carry, then do so. What's the point of having legal rights and freedom of choice if you're not going to enjoy them.
As far as what knife is paractical, that's for the individual carrier/user to decide based on their individual needs or reasons for carrying.
If we're going to discuss whether or not a person NEEDS to carry a particular knife, well, I'm sure there are many on this forum carrying knives they don't really need. And then there are people carrying multiple knives, more than they could ever need during their day. I'm sure there are many who could go through their entire day without using a knife (they could use scissors, etc), but they carry them anyways, simply because they like them.
As far as choosing a knife based on what others might think, well, you can NEVER control what others might think. Some people will be scared by a Buck 110 in a sheath on your belt. Some people will be scared by a Swiss Army knife.
And as far as choosing a knife because you think it's "cool", well, I've recently gotten interested in classic-style stag-handled knives. The styling and stag handle material has no bearing whatsoever on their usefulness, I just think they're cool. I see nothing wrong with choosing and carrying a knife because you simply like its looks and styling. I'm sure a lot of people on this forum buy knives, in part, because of their looks and styling.
Like I said, if it's legal, then carry what you want.
I carry a fixed-blade, it's legal. Sure it's possible that cops might hassle me, but I'm not afraid of the cops. I know the law and I know my rights, and I couldn't care less what other people think about my choice of knives.
As far as what knife is paractical, that's for the individual carrier/user to decide based on their individual needs or reasons for carrying.
If we're going to discuss whether or not a person NEEDS to carry a particular knife, well, I'm sure there are many on this forum carrying knives they don't really need. And then there are people carrying multiple knives, more than they could ever need during their day. I'm sure there are many who could go through their entire day without using a knife (they could use scissors, etc), but they carry them anyways, simply because they like them.
As far as choosing a knife based on what others might think, well, you can NEVER control what others might think. Some people will be scared by a Buck 110 in a sheath on your belt. Some people will be scared by a Swiss Army knife.
And as far as choosing a knife because you think it's "cool", well, I've recently gotten interested in classic-style stag-handled knives. The styling and stag handle material has no bearing whatsoever on their usefulness, I just think they're cool. I see nothing wrong with choosing and carrying a knife because you simply like its looks and styling. I'm sure a lot of people on this forum buy knives, in part, because of their looks and styling.
Like I said, if it's legal, then carry what you want.
I carry a fixed-blade, it's legal. Sure it's possible that cops might hassle me, but I'm not afraid of the cops. I know the law and I know my rights, and I couldn't care less what other people think about my choice of knives.
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Thats exactly how I feel about it 
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Pennsylvania - Pa. C.S.A. 18.908. Prohibited offensive
weapons. (a) Offense defined.--A person commits a
misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized
by law, he makes, repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in,
uses, or possesses any offensive weapon. (b) Exception.--
It is a defense under this section for the defendant to
prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed of
dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic
performance, or that he possessed it briefly in
consequence of having found it or taken it from an
aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any
intent or likelihood that the would be used unlawfully.
(c) Definition.--As used in this section "offensive
weapon" means... any... dagger, knife, razor or cutting
instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic
way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or
otherwise...
- also see 24 P.S. 13-1317.2. re: students bringing weapons
on to school property.]
Pennsylvania case law:
Where opening knife required lock to be released, and
once lock was released blade could be exposed by flip of
wrist, knife did not have blade which could be "exposed in
an automatic way"... by "otherwise" legislature referred
to knives that were opened by some sort of mechanism which
is not a "switch," "push-button," or "spring" mechanism
but still a mechanism... (1979)
weapons. (a) Offense defined.--A person commits a
misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized
by law, he makes, repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in,
uses, or possesses any offensive weapon. (b) Exception.--
It is a defense under this section for the defendant to
prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed of
dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic
performance, or that he possessed it briefly in
consequence of having found it or taken it from an
aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any
intent or likelihood that the would be used unlawfully.
(c) Definition.--As used in this section "offensive
weapon" means... any... dagger, knife, razor or cutting
instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic
way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or
otherwise...
- also see 24 P.S. 13-1317.2. re: students bringing weapons
on to school property.]
Pennsylvania case law:
Where opening knife required lock to be released, and
once lock was released blade could be exposed by flip of
wrist, knife did not have blade which could be "exposed in
an automatic way"... by "otherwise" legislature referred
to knives that were opened by some sort of mechanism which
is not a "switch," "push-button," or "spring" mechanism
but still a mechanism... (1979)
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Autos and daggers are a no go. All else is left to an officer to determine what your intentions are.
Just autos. Read the paragraph very carefully, you will see the word "dagger" is actually being used as part of the switchblade description, not as a ban on daggers in and of themselves.
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Daggers as a no go is based on a friend, who is a town police officer, that says he and his co-workers deem them to be offensive weapons and are confiscated when they come across them. I don't know if it is an actual policy on their books, just that this is what he told me is in affect.
Someone should set those officers straight before they ruin their law enforcement careers, and possibly their lives.
If I recall correctly, confiscating legally owned property without a warrant is a violation of ones 4th ammendment rights under the US Constitution. It could also be regarded as "theft" on the part of the cop. And depending on the value of the confiscated knife, it could be "grand theft".
If a cop confiscates someones legally owned property without a warrant, and if the owner were to persue the matter through legal channels, there could be serious repercussions for the cop, their department, and the county. Stealing the property of citizens could result in a felony conviction for the officer, and violation of ones Constitutional rights can be grounds for a lawsuit against the cop, the cops department, and the entire county.
It really is in the cops best interest to obey the law and not violate peoples Constitutional rights.
Really, is he willing to bet his badge on that (à la 42 U.S.C. § 1983 in federal court)? Cops do not have the ability make up the law on what is and is not illegal based on their own personal opinions. It doesn't matter if his department has it written in a policy book, that is not law, and a PD is not congress. Unless he is talking about some local city or county ordinance, you should tell your friend his seriously playing with fire if he's taking people's knives. We already have case law down here in MD where a cop lost his badge because he "thought" a certain kind of knife was illegal without bothering the check what the actual law is.