double-edge techniques?

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alex_111

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anybody know where i can learn a little about manipulating a double-edged bali? i've been using my 42 (holding the bite handle) to try to get some ideas, but it's tough to find techniques that i can do rapidly without cutting myself (and that with the added weirdness of swinging it by the latch handle as if it were a manila bali).
thanks.
aleX.

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Well... I developed a good way of practicing. The first thing you do is hold the balisong in the open position (front grip) with the blade at a 90 degree angle and the edge facing away from my hand. Then I flip the bite handle back and ricochet the back (unsharpened) side of the blade off my hand, then swing it forward and try not to let the sharpened edge touch my knuckles (you can do this by sort of twisting your hand forward) then swing it back up and into the open position. With this technique you will learn to not depend on the blade actually touching yor hand when you ricochet, so you won't have to worry about the sharpened edge cutting you. Also, you can try this technique where you turn the balisong around so you ricochet the unsharpened portion off of your knuckles and try not to let the blade touch the back of your hand. Once you get this mastered in front grip, do the same thing in backhand grip. Now you can flip without ever touching the blade.

NOTE: If you don't know what some of the terms mean then go to the <a href = "http://www.balisongxtreme.com/baliplanet2/BasicTerms/basics.HTM">BalisongXtreme Terms</a>.

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[This message has been edited by JGardnerA (edited 06-15-2001).]
 
yeah, i've also found that i can do a horizontal opening/closing with the bite handle, without letting the blade touch during ricochets. that's about it, though. no finger twirls, etc.
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thanks, though.
aleX.

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"i flip you... i flip you for real..."

"come and get one in the yarbles, if you've got any yarbles."
 
I believe that you can find some ideas on how to learn mentioned in another thread from not too long ago.I and a couple of others mentioned the methods we've used over the years.

A quick recount from my post was:

Tape the edge of a single edged knife,and use the bite handle in hand instead of the safe handle.Learn where the edge would normaly come into contact with the skin and then you can figure out how to modify the manipulation so that the edge will either miss the skin or will only drag across it (not cutting into it).You can also learn how to make sure that if the edge will need to hit the skin,how to keep it from slicing in deep.A small nick is ok,but a large one is always dreaded...so learn how to minimize the damage.

Or,you can take a double edged blade and tape both sides.Use it in the same way as the above method,but also start looking at what moves are the safest (i.e. those where neither edge will hit the flesh in a bad way) to do.

One important step is to learn how to exaggerate the wrist and/or finger movement so that you can control the physics of the movement better.If you figure out how to slow the movement of the handle and/or blade motion at the right points before sending them off into another direction,then any possible damage to you should be lessened to a good degree.

Just take your time,tape your edges,and do your best to learn where & when the edge(s) will hit,and from there you can learn to minimize the possible damage.


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Why don't you just tape your hand where the edge contacts your skin while manipulating
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Because the blade may still manage to cut deep enough when it's got enough force behind it.Plus,it is possible to add a very thin extra layer over the very edge itself before putting on the main layer,this gives you a safety layer,which makes it even harder for the edge to cut through.Plus,have you ever tried to tape all the possible places on the hand where an edge might hit? You'd never be able to work the balisong if you did
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My "inner puppy" made me do it..

[This message has been edited by MacCanine (edited 06-16-2001).]
 
Choke up on the handles when you minipulate it to that only the kicker touches your finger on the ricochets. (from that panther video with Scott Brennan). Word.

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Aaahhhh, my public quotes me again!

If the blade has equal kicks-safe areas on both sides, it is just a matter of choking up properly. You can also learn to 'pull' the swings, similar to using nunchaku, so that the reversal of movement stops the blade, as opposed to bouncing off your fingers. Most of the more elaborate tricks or hand switches require you to work the sharp side of a single edged balisong, so this is not that big of a step.

CAUTION: I have seen several FHM Balisongs where the double edge runs right to the handles with no safe area at all.
 
I just grab the bite handle and go to town, it is wierd with the latch on the handle you're holdin' on to but you get used to it. Finger twirls can be tricky, just go through the motions with both hands so you see where and when you could get cut, then adjust/choke accordingly.

PROTECTOR: I have your Intermediate video and I have to be honest: I don't really like the "ricocheting using the kick" method, sometimes (when I try your way) I grab a little too far down on the handle and so I get bitten instead of the blade ricocheting. I like the idea of just pulling back or choking on the handle and turning your wrist just a bit more to prevent bites from happening. I do like your video though.
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If you start holding too far forward on the handle,you sometimes lose fluidity & control.Plus,on some blades,there really isn't enough "kick" area to work with.
This is why I advocate learning how to loosen up your wrist so that you can exaggerate the movement.This will help keep the edge from hitting hard enough to cut,if it hits at all.
I also advocate learning how to perform manipulations from all areas of the handle,from the back to the front.This way,no matter how you happen to grab the handle (or if the handle manages to slide in the hand),you'll be able to perform the moves with a good amount of control and flexibility.

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*The* Lunatic Puppy
It wasn't me...It was my *good* twin..
My "inner puppy" made me do it..
 
I agree with the Nunchaku Analogy, but in microcosm, the movements are of course smaller. The same feel as working a chain as well, or pulling a punch. It's about the only way that I can sling my double-edge Samson Stiletto with any degree of fluidity.

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I found this a short ways back, to answer my own concerns about flipping the Nemesis, or kris. I think I'll just look at them .
 
I practice using the bite handel a good bit. i have a manitla style 42, so its actually kinda nice sometimes. Aerials are a great thing to do. you should be able to do just about any aerial, holding either handel, without cutting yourself. Otherwise, i do basic moves and practice rotating and moving my hand so that the blade simpy never touches my fingers. I was recently thinking thats it's actually probobly a pretty good way to really get the feel for the balance and weight of the bali, since you have to be so carefull as to how much speed and momentum it has.
 
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