Down sleeping bag question?

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I would like to purchase (less than $200) a 'down' sleeping bag (around 30 degree rating) because they compress so well, but I have heard that they lose there insulation value if they get wet. I know some manufacturers apply an outer coating to the bags which helps keep the down dry. I am trying to determine how resilient these bags are to moisture and for how long. Do these bags need to be re-coated regularly? If I am in a tent and get 'rained in' for a couple of days how long will a 'coated' down bag remain dry before it succumbs to the moisture and is saturated? Indefinite? I am not looking for a down bag that will repell water if submerged, just one that will remain dry for an extended time if exposed to air moisture/condensation/fog. This question is very general, as I am sure it depends on the manufacturer.

Any information or experiences?
 
Down does lose much of its insulating qualities when wet.

Synthetic bags retain those insulating qualities to a much higher degree if moistened.

Your choice of either down or synthetic should be made after consideration of the kind of camping you're going to be doing.

Some manufacturers proof the covers of their down bags. Others don't.

You might also consider the purchase of an ex-army Gore-Tex bivi bag. I picked one up on the secondary market for £20.

Nikwax produce a wash-in product for proofing down-filled items:

http://www.nikwax.co.uk/en-gb/produ...uctid=103&activityid=-1&itemid=-1&fabricid=-1

If you're travelling light & compact, you should also consider that synthetic bags pack down much smaller than down.

I use a Marmot "Sawtooth." It was the best bag in a competitive review run by a UK hiking magazine:

"Product description: The Marmot Sawtooth is a 600-fill power goose down sleeping bag. The manufacturer’s listed temperature rating is 15 F (-9 C), and the weight is reasonable for a bag of this rating and price. The shell fabric is Pertex Horizon with a DWR (durable water resistant) coating, and the lining fabric is Pertex Horizon sans the DWR."

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/rev...Marmot Sawtooth/Owner Review by Evan Cornell/

maximus otter
 
razcob said:
I would like to purchase (less than $200) a 'down' sleeping bag (around 30 degree rating) because they compress so well, but I have heard that they lose there insulation value if they get wet. I know some manufacturers apply an outer coating to the bags which helps keep the down dry. I am trying to determine how resilient these bags are to moisture and for how long. Do these bags need to be re-coated regularly? If I am in a tent and get 'rained in' for a couple of days how long will a 'coated' down bag remain dry before it succumbs to the moisture and is saturated? Indefinite? I am not looking for a down bag that will repell water if submerged, just one that will remain dry for an extended time if exposed to air moisture/condensation/fog. This question is very general, as I am sure it depends on the manufacturer.

Any information or experiences?

If you buy a down bag from one of the premium makers, you should not have a problem in a tent if you are "rained in".

The modern vapor barriers are very good. The extra money from Marmot and similar company's buys a bag that is proven. My NorthFace and Marmot bags are both superior products that I purchased at the time for less than $200. My NorthFace synthetic bag packs pretty small and doesn't way a great deal but, it is not Marmot down "squish'able" and light. Be sure to unpack it when you get home. Comrpessed down losses it loft when stored for a long periods that way ;)
 
razcob said:
I would like to purchase (less than $200) a 'down' sleeping bag (around 30 degree rating)

My biggest concern is whether or not you'll be able to get a quality down product at your stated price point. Admittedly, your temp rating requirements aren't very extreme, and that'll help, a lot. But still, the good quality, high loft down (600 fill and above) gets expensive fast. Now start adding on the cost of the water resistant outer shell materials/coatings and you can be up over $400 in the blink of an eye.

If water resistance is a serious concern and you're on a budget, I'd be taking a closer look at the synthetic bags. For $200 or $250 you could get a top of the line synthetic bag. It will keep you warm even if wet, and the weight and compressibility of these high quality bags is improving constantly. Again, at a relatively modest temp rating of +30 degrees you might not even notice the difference where weight and size are concerned. Don't forget, down isn't a poor insulator when soaked, it's essentially useless. Many backcountry experts who swear by down are operating in climates where the temp is low enough that water is generally not encountered. Top quality synthetics, on the other hand, work tremendously well when wet (though I still recommend you make every effort to keep them from becoming so ;) ).

I once set up a hasty winter camp after midnight in the SoCal mountains. At about 2am the rains came and pounded us all night. I awoke in the morning to find that the downhill corner of my tent had turned into a small swimming pool (my fault due to bad setup). Needless to say, the bottom of my bag was sitting in this pool and was completely soaked, as were my feet. The amazing thing to me, however, was that despite the fact my feet were also sitting in this puddle, they remained warm to the point that I never even woke up. Once the rain passed and the sun returned, I was then able to lay out my bag over my tent and I was good to go by the next night.
 
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