downside to a Dirk

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zignal_zero

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i've just about decided to go pretty much FB full time. i had decided on a BM Nimravus (that's the size i'm looking for), but when i saw the Inverted Edge Tactics screener it really got me thinking. i wouldn't personally switch to a system, like that, because i feel the techniques you give up are greater than the techniques it opens up to you. however, it made me think how nice it would be to have TWO edges :D

my only concern is what i would be giving up in the utilitarian aspect. my carry knife has to pull double duty, it has to be useful for SD as well as EDC. my carry knife will never see hard use, mainly boxes, little rope, etc., so batoning is not a concern nor is chopping. the only loss i could see (by going dirk) is the ability to place my thumb on the spine of the blade when scraping at stuff.

whatelse, if anything, would be lost by going double edged as a EDC?
 
One thing that comes to mind is that regardless of whether it's legal where you live or not, I think that people will look at a double edged knife as more of a weapon than a utility tool, but how much that'll affect you is something I don't know.
 
I am pretty sure a double edge knife is not legal anywhere in the US, not that a single edge like a Nimravus is either due to it's size. You might want to check into that before carrying it all around.

On the other hand I do not care personally; I carry this on a regular basis, but I do not use it for any utility type task. I also carry a Sebenza for normal cutting tasks.
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I believe that carrying a dirk openly (not concealed) is legal in Florida, but I could be wrong since I'm not a lawyer and I've never lived there.
 
Look at a "Sting." That's a great double edge design. I'm not talking about the new ones. Too heavy.
 
Look at vjb.knife's picture. You can have an essentially double-edged blade with the back left flat or filed dull for a thumb placement.

How much back edge do you really need? A sharpened clip might be enough.
 
Florida has a CCW system in place, why a knife for SD? If you are going to do so however why make it do double duty? If you are going to put your life in the hands of a knife then it should be one that can do the best possible job it can for that purpose, carry a folder for daily chores.
 
You can carry double-edged knives in a very large number of states. It's just a few that banned them (goodness knows why). I like keeping my double-edges at two bevels--the forward one more utilitarian, with a finer back edge for finer or softer targets. I hear a lot of folks back in the day used to do this, and I can see why. It's gosh-darn handy!
 
thanks for all the replies. i should've been a little clearer, legality isn't a concern - in FL, YES, a Dirk is considered a weapon and cannont be legally conealed w/o a permit. i'm not only permitted, but i've been sworn LEO for years.

it might not matter, my Nimravus (M2) might be on the way. the order was attempted, amount of stock they had on hand was unknown. the dirk was a consideration in the event the purchase did NOT go through. so far it's lookin good.

ABSINTHEUR- very good point about buying the best SD knife and forgetting whether or not it's a useful EDC. thank you for the insight. i guess it's like saying, i need a pistol, but i have to be able to hammer with it LOL. i'm just tryin to carry as little as possible.

as for "WHY" a knife for SD - several reason, but mainly, i consider it safer to innocent bystanders.

it was the Cold Steel Gerber copy i was looking at
 
The commonplace prohibitions on double-edged blades are among the dumbest laws ever enacted. The premise seems to be that a murderer will not be able to figure out that he has to rotate his blade 180 degrees, and use the sharp side to carry out his murder.
 
Well most knife laws are pretty stupid. Why are autos illegal when I can open an axis loc knife just as fast. Most knife related crimes involve kitchen knives anyways...
 
Don't say that too loudly or often, lest some idiot listens and bans axis lock knives. Shudder.
 
As long as they aren't used by some sort of foreign crime syndicate we'll be fine.
 
hah...when I read "Dirk" I was thinking that you were running down the street in a GreatKilt and Targe :D

I would think that some type of E.B.I.D would better suit public your public safety concern, than the possibility of an edged weapon for SD.

Have you considered Cold Steel's SRK? My brother owns one and uses while hunting and camping. He swore by it. I've had the pleasure of noodling around with it for a varied list of tasks...from gutting trout, to hacking through small branches and I must admit it's a well balanced and sharp tool that's meant to be used. After my 2 month stint with it, I sent it back to CS for resharpening and it came back to me like a straight razor.
 
druid189 said:
hah...when I read "Dirk" I was thinking that you were running down the street in a GreatKilt and Targe :D

I would think that some type of E.B.I.D would better suit public your public safety concern, than the possibility of an edged weapon for SD.

Have you considered Cold Steel's SRK? My brother owns one and uses while hunting and camping. He swore by it. I've had the pleasure of noodling around with it for a varied list of tasks...from gutting trout, to hacking through small branches and I must admit it's a well balanced and sharp tool that's meant to be used. After my 2 month stint with it, I sent it back to CS for resharpening and it came back to me like a straight razor.
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E.B.I.D.? what's that?

i have a Cold Steel Recon Tanto. I absolutely love it, it's just kind of a pain to conceal. so i was looking at the Nimravus. it was just the DVD trailer for Inverted Edge Tactics that got me thinking of the benefits of double edged knives.

i normally have a .40 cal handy, also, but i just feel knives have a place in SD
 
zignal_zero said:
E.B.I.D.? what's that?

i have a Cold Steel Recon Tanto. I absolutely love it, it's just kind of a pain to conceal. so i was looking at the Nimravus. it was just the DVD trailer for Inverted Edge Tactics that got me thinking of the benefits of double edged knives.

i normally have a .40 cal handy, also, but i just feel knives have a place in SD
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E.B.I.D. = Electronic Body Imobilizing Device - AKA Taser

And absolutely I agree...a knife has a place in SD but the poster stated a valid concern for public safety. It really depends on the situation, which method is more suitable to subdue a subject.

I've only seen the Recon Tanto in a store's glass case, so I cannot comment on it but yeah...I agree it's a bit much to conceal.

Here in PA, LE is exempted from automatic knife statutes.
 
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