Dozier K30 (Whitetail scinner)

nozh2002

nozh2002

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After tested Dozier and finding out that his D2 is best and way ahead of other steel in edge holding I think I developed some addiction (same as I developed for Busse about year go). It is easy to explain - superb edge holding, top production quality, sharp edge out of the box, excellent sheath coming with knife, excellent design and most important - price below my previous favorite knives Busse (compare Active Duty for 262 + 45 for sheath with 250 for K30 with sheath). Busse is best for chopping, abuses etc and I need also Dozier best for cutting.

Here it is:

This one is smaller then KS1 - same length and width, but it much thinner and more delicate in result, more suitable for small projects

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Handle is very "aerodynamic", thin and very comfortable for manipulation.

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Color is my favorite as well - some country style, bread/honey/eco color pleasant to my peasants roots. No any teen aggression - nothing tactical, selfdefensive etc...

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Blade is hollow ground and less then 1/64" thin at the edge (about 1/3 of 1/32") - suppose to be magnificent slicer.

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Edge angle is about 40, however similar to Fedotov's Uzbek - probably hunters here and in Russia have same needs from skinners.

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Knife feels very comfortable in hands, I even say pleasant. It also looks pretty nice, because of this simple continues curves with form it's shape - like it is some frozen liquid with little splash on guard.

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As usual kydex sheath are just excellent - they are for horizontal carrying. For sure Bob Dozier not only king of D2 but king of kydex as well...

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So far I am very happy with this knife.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
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Nice, I think Dozier is in the same league as Randall and Loveless - good knives done the old fashioned way!
 
I looked for this knife on Dozier web site there was know K-30?Is this the yukon scinner.
 
f-2175 said:
I looked for this knife on Dozier web site there was know K-30?Is this the yukon scinner.
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I was told this is new model - K30 Whitetail Skinner.
From google cache:
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Dozier K30 Whitetail Skinner, new model! : This is the first knife to be released with the Dozier stamp that was designed by Bob's step-son, Daniel Crotts...
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K-30 - Whitetail Skinner
see more like 'K-30 - Whitetail Skinner'
The Whitetail Skinner is a new model from Dozier Knives, designed by Dan Crotts. 1/8" blade thickness and 1 1/8" blade depth. Full tang construction. Direct from maker from the 2008 New York Custom Knife Show.
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http://www.arizonacustomknives.com/products/?id=7491

Thanks, Vassili
 
Go to Dozierknives.com then to discussion forum. Click on the Knife Gallery and it is the first sticky.
 
Vassili,

Great reviews and pics, thanks. :thumbup:

I am a big fan of the Dozier models and the "working man knives" philosophy.
One of the best values in the knifedom! :D

This model appeals to me because the way the blade angles up or cants from the handle.
Should make for a great cutter and good ergonomics!

Please keep us posted on further opinions and testing on this model!
 
Nice knife. I also find the fit and finish on Dozier's to be pretty much the gold standard to compare other knives to.
 
Well, update - I sharpen it to hair whittling sharp and it just easy not even whittle but just separate hair in two without curling and then I was able to whittle each part! It got excellent edge very nicely.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I read more on Dozier site and I guess, my addiction based on same view I have on knives - Knives are for cutting and Dozier just making great cutters. They just cut and cut and cut staying very sharp longer then any other knives.

As I understan popularity of D2 is based on reputation this steel got from Dozier knives sold to general public by A.G.Russel, however only Dozier can make D2 performs - in this terms it is quite educational that on my tests D2 is on top and on the bottom of the performance list.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589139

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I have seen similiar knives on Dozier's site, but did not like the looks of them. The longer I look at that one though, the more I like it. Nice pictures.
 
nozh2002 said:
Blade is hollow ground and less then 1/64" thin at the edge (about 1/3 of 1/32") - suppose to be magnificent slicer.
...Edge angle is about 40, however similar to Fedotov's Uzbek - probably hunters here and in Russia have same needs from skinners.

...I sharpen it to hair whittling sharp and it just easy not even whittle but just separate hair in two without curling and then I was able to whittle each part!
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It sounds like the edge on those might be thin enough to where I could live with it. You got it sharp, but did you maintain the factory angle, or did you lower it? Have you tried to see if its behavior changes if you reduce the edge angle to around 8 degrees per side (maybe a micro bevel no more than 10* per side)?

Your last comment regarding the hair whittling reminds me of what I'd told you earlier- once they get really sharp it becomes almost more difficult to whittle controlled cuts off the hair since it will just slice right through instead. Is that what you were seeing?
 
the possum said:
It sounds like the edge on those might be thin enough to where I could live with it. You got it sharp, but did you maintain the factory angle, or did you lower it? Have you tried to see if its behavior changes if you reduce the edge angle to around 8 degrees per side (maybe a micro bevel no more than 10* per side)?

Your last comment regarding the hair whittling reminds me of what I'd told you earlier- once they get really sharp it becomes almost more difficult to whittle controlled cuts off the hair since it will just slice right through instead. Is that what you were seeing?
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I resharpened it to my usual 15 degree per side, but it is on the very edge - I try to convex edge I can not say if I have 20 with 30 microbevel - I am confused with all this term, is it microbevel or it is curved sholders... It does work for me pretty well. Dozier just refuse to get dull! I am not sure is it specific for this angle - this need to be researched.

I think it is sharper when it whittle hair then when it not able to whittle but just cut. This also supported by my thread sharpness test (however difference if minimal).

I think reason why it does not whittle but cut is because initial pressure to penetrate is bigger and so it just goes through because more force involved. With higher sharpness it penetrates with less force and so then able to do more delicate job - whittle it. Sharper it is more control you have on my experience.

But difference is fractional and it also may more depend on hair structure then on sharpness.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Vassili, I'll give you some info on the microbevel.

In my experience most steels will work okay with a normal edge at say, 10 degrees per side, which is a little thinner still than you typically go.

However, using a microbevel, I've taken D2, S30V, ZDP189, VG10 etc down to angles like 3 degrees per side right up to the edge, then applied a thicker microbevel.

If you like the cutting performance of a 30 degree inclusive edge, imagine how an 8 degree inclusive edge would cut.

By using a microbevel the edge will still be just as thicker as the 30 degree inclusive edge - at the very edge.

What you should try sometime with a knife you don't mind experimenting with (If you haven't) if take the edge down to 6 degrees per side, then when you're done, do 3 to 5 passes per side at 15 degrees using a higher grit stone and extremely little pressure, to form a tiny "bevel" at the very edge barely visible to the eyes.

In theory the edge will hold up as long as you avoid being to rough with it as far as lateral pressure is concerned. As most cuts only require a straight push, this generally works fine.

If you'd like me to mail you a knife sharpened this way to try out I could do that as well.

Here is an example of what it looks like. This is a ZDP189 endura I reprofiled flat to the saber grind, then applied a microbevel. Exceptional cutting performance and the edge was still 100% stable under chopping, batoning, light metal cutting and of course typical EDC knife use.

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Here's some even thinner VG10. This one was traded to a fellow forumite and he's been happy with it from what I've heard.

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