Dozier KM-1 Ranger vs. Busse NO

I guess it's all a matter of what you want to do with it. If your intention is self-defense, I'd do the Dozier. It's a gorgeous knife, and Bob does top notch work.

If you just want to a sturdy knife for ultra-tough cutting, I'd go with the NO. Busse knives have a reputation for virtual indestructibility, and it would be a shame to beat the piss out of such a good looking Dozier.
 
Another factor is how much weight do you want to lug around. The Busse probably weighs at least twice as much as the Dozier.
 
Hey Guys...

Yes,,it all depends what its for...

Outdoors type stuff???.....

I'll Hump the weight of the Busse NO any day of the week...

Ain't No Contest...:)


ttyle

Eric...
 
If you want an all around, beat around the woods knife,
you can't beat a Busse. Great steel and warranty.
I also have several Dozier's knives, Bob makes a good knife!!!
 
I doubt there is anything that you can do with the NO that you cant do with the Dozier. That is about the largest model Bob makes. I also think that it will be a heck of a cutter for sure. The edges are pretty acute on his knives. As a Chopper I am not sure how it balances. And D-2 is pretty darn strong and thick on this knife. It will require more care than the coated busse to keep from rusting under wet conditions. The busse is probably a little better for prying, but Doziers cut like no other knife in their respective classes in IMHO. That said, Bobs strongest suit is the smaller field knives and smaller defensive knives. He gets real competition when you move up to big utility work knives. Busse and CRK Project knives are in the same price range and very very good.
 
Both good knives, but with slightly different niches, IMHO. The dozier can probably slice a bit better, penetrate a bit better, and is easier to carry.

The Busse NO is bombproof, WAY tougher than the dozier. It can chop well, pry well, and be used harder. Also, it has a warranty to match, the best in the business. You break it, you get a new one. Busse's INFI is pretty much superior to D2 in all regards. Of course, with the NO, you have to carry around a little more, but, IMHO, it's worth it.
 
So Andrew, how do you know (not just think) the Busse is way tougher than the Dozier????????? Owned both, used them side by side? Thought so. Also is a knife tougher because you can abuse it by prying floorboards up. What if the edge is too thick to slice really well? How much chopping can you really do anyway with a 6 inch blade any way and why? If Bob Dozier name is on it, it cuts as good as any knife in that size class will. As for the all the other garbage, I am amazed people dont buy a 7 dollar pry bar from walmart. Who really does all that digging and prying with a 250 dollar knife, and why. If better tools (folding shovel etc.) are not at hand its piss poor prior planning. At the very least such activity is not going to do your edge any good. Also the CRK line is just fine for anything a knife should be doing and doing well. Maybe somebody should market a Ti pry bar for a couple hundred bucks. It would sell around here. Seems to be a need.;) P.s. The Busse NO is cheaper, and easier to get in most cases.
 
Originally posted by Mike990
So Andrew, how do you know (not just think) the Busse is way tougher than the Dozier?????????
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First of all, I misread the model number, and thought it was the professional guide's knife, but I still believe the Busse is substantially tougher. No, I have not owned both, I am purely using reason. Here are my reasons:

1.) The Busse is 1/4" thick (0.250"), the Dozier is 13/64 (about 0.200"). IIRC, toughness/strength (sorry if my definitions aren't perfect) is a function of the square of the thickness of the stock.

2.) The Busse is INFI steel, which is much tougher than D2.

3.) The blade profile of the Busse is more durable than the Dozier. The Dozier has a false edge ground on most of its spine, which reduces its toughness. Also, although I'm not sure of this, I think the Dozier has a hollow grind, which is not as durable as the flat grind of the Busse. Also, again I'm not sure, the Busse looks to have a larger aspect ration, wich improves its durability. The Busse also has a much more durable point (no false edge, and not as fine). The Busse's point is also convex ground, improving durability.

4.) On edge durablity. Again, INFI steel is much more durable than D2. Also, the Busse's edge is assymetrical. One side is convex ground, the other flat ground. This type of edge is tougher than a conventional double v-grind.

Originally posted by Mike990
What if the edge is too thick to slice really well?
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If the Busse factory edge geometry is not to your liking (though it is not overly obtuse IMHO), you can quite easily modify it to your liking. INFI is easy to sharpen.

Originally posted by Mike990
How much chopping can you really do anyway with a 6 inch blade any way and why?
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I haven't done any chopping with an NO (only handled one), but I have used a Steel Heart (only 2oz heavier) quite extensively, and it can chop amazingly well for its size, comfortably handling up to 5" wood for example (this is for live medium to hard wood, it varies depending on the type and state of the wood of course). Of course their are better choices for a chopping blade, but the NO should be able to handle a good deal of light to medium chopping. Also, it is a good kindling splitter.

Originally posted by Mike990
If Bob Dozier name is on it, it cuts as good as any knife in that size class will.
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No argument here. I have used a Dozier before, and was impressed with its cutting ability and quality. I continue to like Dozier knives, and think they have a definite niche, but so does Busse.

Originally posted by Mike990
As for the all the other garbage, I am amazed people dont buy a 7 dollar pry bar from walmart.
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I hardly ever use my Steel Heart for prying, purely because I don't pry things much. For me, prying ability is only a small part of the benefits of durability and toughness. Edge durability and resistance to catastrophic failure if one accidentally hits a rock or piece of concrete while chopping is far more important. However, it is nice to know that if needed, the Busse will pry very well (yes, I have done prying tests). Also, when chopping, I often chop into the limb or log, then pry laterally to break out the chip of wood, which often demands high toughness.

Originally posted by Mike990
Who really does all that digging and prying with a 250 dollar knife, and why.
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I have never done any digging with a knife, although I've never had to. The only way I see that it is a good test of knife durability is that it is very harsh on the edge. Rock contacts are common, and soil is very abrasive. However, the reason I would dig with a Busse if it was the best tool available is that it can take it.

Originally posted by Mike990
P.s. The Busse NO is cheaper, and easier to get in most cases.
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True :D


Plus, if you ever manage to damage a Busse knife, the Busse warranty has you covered (you get a new knife, or get your knife repaired). That is how much Busse Combat stands behind the durability of its blades.

As I have said before, both the Dozier and the Busse are great knives. The one you get just depends on your intended uses and requirements.
 
Originally posted by Mike990
I am amazed people dont buy a 7 dollar pry bar from walmart. Maybe somebody should market a Ti pry bar for a couple hundred bucks. It would sell around here.
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I just got a 12" pry bar from Lee Hardware but it cost $15 not $7

If you want a titanium one look here:

http://www.csgshq.com/1214.asp


Ben
 
Originally posted by Mike990
If Bob Dozier name is on it, it cuts as good as any knife in that size class will.
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So you've owned and used, side by side, every knife in every size class that Dozier makes? Wow, you must have thousands and thousands of knives. How did you find the time to test them all?
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Just messing with you, but careful when you go picking on other people's "broad" statements, you don't put yourself in the same boat;)

On-topic:
I agree with Andrew, different niches. For the way I use a knife of this size, the Busse gets my vote. Always liked the looks of that particular Dozier, though. Handles look great, and it probably does outcut the Busse on alot of materials, but field knives get pried with, chopped with, beat on, and have to handle anything that comes along, expected or not...for that I'll take a Busse every time.
 
YOu know what gets my goat? Do ya? Its when the cheerleaders on this board for two well know brand of hard use combat knives in particular, come out of the wood work to tell how great they are against whatever knife they are being compared to, but never mention the downside. Knives are used and sometimes abused for a large variety of tasks, and none, none, none, are equally great at all of them. But when the cheerleaders get going they tell you the positives and leave out the negatives. A non cheerleader owner will tell you upside and downside areas.
 
I thought the "Cheer Leaders" for each team were invited to share their comments.

"Dozier KM-1 Ranger vs. Busse NO
Comments wanted"...................topic started by Bear

Both are good knifes, I would just trust one with my life if the trip went South.
You know, the weather changes, you break a leg or get hurt.
When I'm out in the mountains there are no phones, hell there's no roads.
If I'm put into a situation where I need to dig in rocks for shelter or food I want the most knife I can get.

It all depends on what you want to do with it Bear.

Doziers are nice, but they aint no Busse.......
 
Hey Guys...

Well I've never owned a Dozier, have worked on several dozen of them..Different kinds,,and they were all awesome knives.. I'll own one one of these days because its a quality blade,,and wouldn't mind having one for my personal collection.. I have two collections,, a Personal one and a Business one..They are somewhat interchangable to a degree....

The reason I say a Busse is my Obvious choice is because I work with them and use them everyday,, and pretty much know what they can handle...

I'm not sayingI've built log cabins with them,,but I have put most of them through their paces.....

In my opinion the NO-E is my choice for an all out outdoors knife..
Sure it ain't a slicer for cutting lunch meat off the Hunk.. I used a Battle Mistress to slice up a turkey,,and it didn't work to well...

Chopped the legs and Wings off Beautifully,, but when it came to carving it up,,another knife with a thinner edge got the job...

The Right Tool for the Right Job guys.....

You wouldn't use a #2 Iron in a sand trap... Well maybe you would,, I don't know $hit about Golf!! LOL

ttyle

Eric....
 
Originally posted by Mike990
Who really does all that digging and prying with a 250 dollar knife, and why. If better tools (folding shovel etc.) are not at hand its piss poor prior planning. At the very least such activity is not going to do your edge any good.
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I think the answer to "WHY?" is because it WILL when you HAVE to.

Piss poor planning? If you could plan properly for all possibilities, you would have an entourage of 10 guys carrying all of your "possibility" equipment.

When it comes to staking my life on a piece of steel, you can be sure it will be a Busse.

Doziers are fine knives, but when a situation requires, in my opinion, an "edge", Busse gives it to me (no pun intended).

Take the test.

Mike
thatmguy
 
I know this is off-topic, but I was wondering with absolute curiosity:

The Bear, have you ever tasted the annual and illegal maggot cheese, locally known as casu marzu, that has become infamously connected to your town?

If so, what does it taste like?
 
Komondor,
my answer is yes, I tasted the maggot cheese known as casu marzu. It is a creamy cheese and it tastes great, really, but I have to say that when you eat that cheese you can’t find maggots because they have been taken off before. If you manage not to think about maggots you’ll eat a really tasty cheesse… but I’m a bear and I’m in the habit of eating such food!
Bye
 
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