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Thinking of getting one at some point and wondering what the grind type is. Does Dozier make blades with flat grind? :confused:

Thanks,
-Kevin
 
95% hollow ground, maybe 5% full convex. Look for buzzbait's posts on doziers. I believe that his hollow ground models are just a hair's bit sharper than the full convex (for shallow materials at least).
 
Thanks guys, I will check AG Russell now.

Since this is a custom he could try making one for someone who wants one right?
-Kevin
 
I believe the Dozier knives that are flat ground are a "mid-tech" product produced for AG Russell.
 
Bob Dozier can, and will flat grind a blade for you. You just have to catch him in the right mood. ;) :)

Seriously, I believe Bob will take orders for flat ground blades.
 
I own a great flat ground Dozier. It's the prototype that Bob made for the Master Hunter carried by A.G. Russell. Great knife.

Oddly, I only have flat and convex ground knives by Bob. I need to get one of his hollow ground blades one of these days. :cool:
 
Kevin
I think that mid tec means that the parts are made out and assembled in the makers shop. My knives are made here. The Ar. knives are ground by a CNC grinder and finished in my shop. This means that we heat treat the blanks, make the handles, assemble and finish the knife in this shop. We then make the kydex sheath to fit the knife. The blades are not treated by any one else and the handles are made here. We do all of the knife except grind the blade.
The Ar. made knives are completly made here. I personally don't like the term Mid Tec. A maker should say that he is buying all the parts ready made and assembling them in his shop. But then these makers are entitled to their own views.

Yes I will grind you a flat ground knife. Give wendy a call and get a price quote

Bob D.
 
Bob Dozier said:
Kevin
I think that mid tec means that the parts are made out and assembled in the makers shop. My knives are made here. The Ar. knives are ground by a CNC grinder and finished in my shop. This means that we heat treat the blanks, make the handles, assemble and finish the knife in this shop. We then make the kydex sheath to fit the knife. The blades are not treated by any one else and the handles are made here. We do all of the knife except grind the blade.
The Ar. made knives are completly made here. I personally don't like the term Mid Tec. A maker should say that he is buying all the parts ready made and assembling them in his shop. But then these makers are entitled to their own views.

Yes I will grind you a flat ground knife. Give wendy a call and get a price quote

Bob D.
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Bob,
Thanks for the reply. It's nice to talk to a maker one on one. :)

EVENTUALLY, hopefully by the end of this year, I will be giving you a call. Right now I'm broke and on my way into my first year of college, so one of your great looking knives is out of my reach at the moment. If money isn't too hard to come by though you can expect my business. I think a flat ground K1 or K7 sounds great. :cool:

One more question by the way... I hear you make great kydex sheaths, but honestly I'm more of a fan of natural materials myself. Do you make leather sheaths at all? Thanks Bob.
-Kevin
 
My use of the word mid-tech is what I learned here on the forums. Generally I thought it met a knife that was a combination of in-shop work by the maker with some work done elsewhere (such as blanking and grinding). By that definition, the term mid-tech would fit the description of the Ar. knives made by the Dozier shop.
 
brownshoe said:
My use of the word mid-tech is what I learned here on the forums. Generally I thought it met a knife that was a combination of in-shop work by the maker with some work done elsewhere (such as blanking and grinding). By that definition, the term mid-tech would fit the description of the Ar. knives made by the Dozier shop.
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Brownshoe: I think that you miss Dozier's point. Mid Tech is a term used by folks who have all their parts made out and just assemble and put their name on the resulting knives. Bob Dozier is trying to tell you that he does EVERYTHING except the rough grinding of the flats on the blades. He finish grinds them, he heat-treats them, he makes the handles, he makes the sheaths and all the rest in his own shop.

You are a nice fellow and have been a good friend of mine and I believe that this is just a misunderstanding about a term and not at all that you intend to purposefully insult Bob Dozier.

Please do not use the term Mid-Tech to the knives I have talked Bob into making for me. I ask this as a personal favor. A. G
 
Mr. Russell I do not view the term mid-tech as a "dirty word." It was invented by Ken Onion. This is what he says about it from a past thread:

"What I was trying to do when I started the whole Mid-tech thing was to bring honesty and clarity into a vague arena with various shades of grey. I wanted to have some parts cut out because I was getting so behind but didn't want everyone to assume because I had parts cut out on one model that I had them cut out on every model.So after much discussion on this forum as well as others. I had my Boa knife cut out for me. Because I didn't want to muddy the water or polute my true customs I created a new category, Mid-Tech, to clearly and honestly define how it differs from my customs.

Since then it seems to have gained in popularity and I am pleased. However there are dishonest people out there who are going to push the limits. Some will make a production knife and call them Mid-Techs. Some create there own definitions of "what they consider " a Mid-Tech. Which I don't understand. I created the category and clearly defined what it meant. To reinterpret it doesn't make it so. There are also alot of wonderful and talented knifemakers out there who were honest, before they started making Mid-Techs .They have always been honest and honorable.They will continue to be honest and honorable whether they are making custom, production ,or Mid-Tech."
 
brownshoe said:
Mr. Russell I do not view the term mid-tech as a "dirty word." It was invented by Ken Onion. This is what he says about it from a past thread:


". . . . . . . . .Since then it seems to have gained in popularity and I am pleased. However there are dishonest people out there who are going to push the limits. Some will make a production knife and call them Mid-Techs. Some create there own definitions of "what they consider " a Mid-Tech. Which I don't understand. I created the category and clearly defined what it meant. To reinterpret it doesn't make it so. There are also alot of wonderful and talented knifemakers out there who were honest, before they started making Mid-Techs .They have always been honest and honorable.They will continue to be honest and honorable whether they are making custom, production ,or Mid-Tech."
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Brownshoe:

You have spoken kindly of me and I appreciate that, even if you had been otherwise I would try bery hard to avoid a slanging match with you or anyone. Mr. Dozier and I are very specific about what is done outside of his shop on the flatground knives he makes for me. EVERYTHING is done in his own shop, except for the rough grinds on the flats. Neither he nor I have anything to hide under a term like Mid-Tech. The use of the term upsets Mr. Dozier and it also upsets me. Why go out of your way to offend two people who have never done you any harm? all of the best, A. G.
 
Brownshoe

These makers can call their knifemaking any thing they want to. I think that some folkes(not knife makers) are having everything done out their shop, assembling the parts, calling these knives MIDTEC and rideing the coat tails of real knifemakers. This is not OK. I think that more knife makers would speak up but are hesitant because of the fights it causes on the forums.
It is ok for this kind of knife to be made, but the assemblers should not use ken onion's term for this kind of knife. It does nothing to my name as a knifemaker and I only voiced my opinion. You have a rite to your own openion and I respect it. If I make this kind of knife, I will tell my customers and if I have knives made out of this shop, you will know that I did not make them here.
A. G. goes back all the way to the 60's and had the strongest hand in starting the the knife movement as we know it today. My self and many others think that this movement may not have started or at least would have been delayed many years with out him. So he has a rite to feel as he does and needs to be defended by all honest knifemakers who make a living at this profession.
 
I have no problem with abstaining from using the word "mid tech" in relation to Dozier knives.

I used the word as an adjective not as a perjorative. There are many adjectives related to knife making, such as hand made, bench made, forged, forged to shape, hand forged, assembled by hand, hand ground, custom, production, stock removal, etc. In my frame of reference, and others, mid-tech is not an insult, just a description. There are midtech knives that are popular and sell quite well at prices above the Dozier-Russell knives. I did not go "out of my way to offend two people who have done [me] no harm." There is no need for "all honest knifemakers" to take a defense posture.

To paraphrase Shakespeare "The [gentlemen] protests too much, methinks."

While we are on this subject, one question. Since these blades are not midtech, are the CNC ground knives considered hand made? No insult is intended, so please do not take offense. Just would like to know your opinion.
 
Back to the original question :D.

I do not own a Dozier flat ground blade, but I have used his knives enough to know how excellent they are and would not hesitate to order one of his flat ground pieces from A.G.

One thing that we can easily loose track of as collectors is the dedication knife makers have to their art and how they produce thier knives (I have yet to meet two that handle their knife making the same way.)

When we make loose statements or at times mis-informed statements we are treading on very wobbly ground that can (and rightfully so) upset a maker.
I have total trust in A.G. and Bob as far as their integrity. That also goes for a huge majority of makers whose word on how their knives are made can be taken as gospel. I do not think any one is "protesting too much". I see defense of integrity that has been built on for decades by actions, words and deeds.

Rough grinding/profiling whether done in the shop by an assistant or outside of the shop is not an art. I know because I can do it. It just does not fit into Ken's use of the term MIDTECH where farmed out parts are assembled with little or no finishing to create the knife.
 
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