Drilling heat treated steel?

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I am working on re-handling a couple of fixed blades and I need to drill a hole into the tang for each one.

Using a variety of handheld drills what is the type of bit I should be looking for?

Any other suggestions I should bear in mind?

The holes don't have to be perfect because they will not be seen.

I read a link that Rob Simonich gave in another thread that said you could use carbide tipped drills to cut Talonite, would this be similar to what I'm doing? (I also read somewhere that I could use a carbide tipped masonry bit)

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
Masonary bits that are available at any hardware store will do the job for you if you are going to use an electric drill. I just don't know if you can do it with a hand drill. The masonary bits do have silicon carbide inserts and they actually drill holes larger than the size indicated. Regards Frank.
 
high speed steel bits with carbide tips, maybe something with Titanium Nitride coating, a slow speed, and a good supply of oil should do your job. You're not drilling through an anvil after all, just a tang of a blade, not a big cut.
 
As mentioned in previous threads, it can be "spot" annealed. Cut the head off and place a nail in your drill and put pressure on the spot that you want to drill through. With a hand drill, it may be necessary to punch a spot. Have your drill press going fairly fast and allow the spot on the tang you are drilling to get "red hot". Allow it to air cool. You can then drill through this spot with a HS drill bit.

C Wilkins
 
Titanium Nitride coated bits won't do it. At least it wouldn't do it for me. Even at slow speed with oil you get about 2 chips cut and the coating has given out. Then you can keep drilling as long as you want and all you get from it is a nice shiny spot on the steel.
Carbide will. If your using a hand held drill, you definitely want to go with a steel bodied carbide tipped bit, it will be alot less likely to shatter than a solid carbide bit.

Another option, depending on the width of the tang, is to cut a small notch or slot from the side about halfway across the tang. It takes some figuring to get everything laid out right, but I did it once and it turned out ok. The tang has to be fairly wide though. And you have to make sure the width of the slot is about the same as the diameter of your pin. I did it with a dremel and some gut off wheels. You could probably fudge it with a drill and some of the little grinidng bits they make for dremels too. You won't want to use too many pins though.
 
Thanks guys for all of the great responses.

I went to a "real" hardware store this morning (Home Depot didn't have any..) and bought a carbide tipped bit and a Cobalt one (the guy there thought the Cobalt ould work better, I didn't believe him so I bought both) along with some high grade cutting oil.

I chucked the carbide bit into my Milwaukee Hole Shooter and within about 3 minutes cut through it.

Of course the bit is shot but it was only $3. I think it shattered when it broke through the back side because I had it backed up with wood not metal.

Thanks again, if it comes out okay I'll post a picture when I'm done.
 
I know this is an old thread, and I don't post on here very much (still trying to catch up with all the folks who really know what they are doing). Backstory, I've been making knives for a long time. Didn't really understand the science behind it but managed some decent (usable) blades over the years. This past year I got more serious about it. Read a ton of info (a lot of it right here on these boards in threads like this). I'm not an expert, but I've learned enough to know that ill be learning forever, and it's been a fun (sometimes frustrating) ride. But overcoming the frustrations and seeing it to resolution is an integral part of the satisfaction one can have in this endeavor.

This has been my experience:

Soft steel-Annealed, normalized, most stock (not all) comes this way. I use cobalt bits. They last awhile and can be resharpened. I use cleveland twist jobber bits. Plenty of other great manufacturers, just happens to be what I use.

Heat treated steel - depending on hardness, carbide bits can work as others have described in numerous posts. Sometimes not. You need a drill press, you really do. I can drill reliably straight holes with a hand drill, but that isn't going to work here. If you can't afford one, hopefully you have a friend with one. Don't waste your time using a hand drill on heat treated steel, it's unsafe and impractical (ill spare the details), and you'll probably ruin a lot of bits.

Carbide bits - take your time, keep it cool, use good cutting fluid.

Cobalt bits - shouldn't work. If they do, hopefully it's because you clayed the area being drilled prior to HT.
if cobalt goes through hardened steel (even big choppers tempered fairly soft). There is a chink in your HT process.

Spot Annealing - use a pretty big nail, or an old, dull bit. I always just ended up frustrated with this process because I'd melt a bit or nail long before the steel being drilled got hot. I even tried cooling the bit (bit only ) at intervals. I just never had much luck with predictable results.

Masonry bits (carbide tipped steel bits) - this is the method I've had the best, repeatable, results with. But, my process is different than anything I've ever read or heard anyone use. I run it Hot! No cutting fluid. 1700 rpm on a drill press, constant steady pressure, and I can get through some very hard steel with relative ease.

Relative is the key term. You're gonna spend 6-10 minutes on each hole. It's best to let your drill motor cool a bit between holes. Remember (as previously stated) that masonry bits actually drill a bit wider than advertised. Cutting fluid and taking it slow not only takes a really long time, but it wasn't cutting through really hard steel (for me). I find that a masonry bit will spot anneal, then cut, alternating through the cut while you hold pressure. I found with carbide bits (full carbide) I'd get maybe a dozen holes out of a bit. Masonry bits would yield about 10 when used with cutting fluid and taking it slow. Ironically, a masonry bit at 1700 rpm, and not using cutting fluid, thereby keeping it hot would yield ~10 holes as well.

Remember to keep the blade cool during the process. I lay a wet handtowel over it, then clamp the blade and towel to the plate (minimizing the chance of the towel wrapping up in the bit or chuck).
 
A MASONRY drill bit will cut through steel? I guess since they're carbide tipped? Better than the cobalt bits rated for stainless that suck?
 
I'm by no means an expert. I have not personally found a cobalt bit that will reliably cut HT steel. I've gotten some to work for a hole or two, both fast and slow, cutting oil and dry. They may exist, I've just not used them.

The best bang for buck has been a masonry bit, fast, no cooling, no water, no cutting oil. 1700rpm on a bench press only. Just my experience.
 
A MASONRY drill bit will cut through steel? I guess since they're carbide tipped? Better than the cobalt bits rated for stainless that suck?

I've had similar experience to Tss1004, except I've run at slower speeds. The Masonry bits work well especially for the cost. If you need the hole drilled very accurately (size) then you will need a much more expensive carbide bit.
 
I sprung for a 1/8" carbide bit from USAknifemakers recently and am loving it, keep finding uses for it. After using the hardware store bits that are just a carbide spade on a hss shank, it's a whole different animal.
One of my good sellers is a little kitchen knife made from bandsaw blade that I don't do an anneal on, it's nice to be able to drill it simply and quickly. A good quality carbide bit is waaay better than the 2.99 hardware store version, and will make many holes rather than a few.
Tss pretty much says it all :) Cobalt won't work...or may do a hole or two, either way you'll be disappointed.
 
I tried drilling a condor golok of mine, with a hand drill, didn't work at all. I had a friend of my family take the knife to work where they assemble tractor trailers, to use their big drill press. Three carbide bits later and the help of a assembly line worker, success. My advice, go to a local garage and see if they would drill it for you for a small fee, or they may let you drill.
 
Wow, that's really really good info....the carbide tipped masonry bits to drill steel. I'm going to get me a few and try it out using the techniques mentioned. I love this forum. Thanks, guys!!!
 
Carbide tipped masonry bits will "drill" hardened steel, mainly by alternating spot annealing and cutting as was pointed out above. But not all masonry bits are created equal...I've had a few where the carbide bit was held into the shank with a low temperature brazing alloy...these fall apart before much of a hole gets drilled. YMMV...it's been a long time since I tried this trick so I don't remember which brands not to buy.
 
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