Eagle scout knife and edc..

[swede2207]

A friend of mine whos son is getting his eagle scout soon,asked ME to make a knife to commemorate the event. I thought the design that Thayne and I put together would be a good choice. Here is what I came up with..3/16 01 tool steel,6 inch blade(Thaynes design) flat ground,micarta handle with a slight palm swell..stainless fittings..and a hand stitched 7 oz "Eagle" sheath. Heres a look..

here she is all dressed up..

This knife is an edc i wanted to try a new style sheath for since im pretty tired of pouch sheaths..

3 inch blade 5/32 01 tool steel,micarta handle ss pins and thonghole..pigski9n lined sheath with stainless steel clip for easy transitionjing..in case you dont always have a belt..could even go iwb

heres the clip

here it is all dressed up..no place to go ..thanks for looking!! later Luke

 

[Snow]

WOW!! If I attempt to get my Eagle scout status, will you make me one? That thing is awesome!

 

[Grateful]

Very nice.:thumbup:

 

[nitestocker]

good to go :thumbup:

 

[k-spar]

real nice. Wish I had got one of those when I got my eagle, instead all i got was a crappy little gold card signed by G.W.
(did get me outta some speeding tickets though )

 

[Normark]

Hey Guys..

Swede...

Very nice!!
Boy is he gonna be happy with that knife....

He's going to be smiling for a month!!

ttyle

Eric
O/ST

 

[tknife]

Looking good Luke. I like that eagle on the sheath, that is really cool. Hope he like it as much as I like mine!

 

[longbow50]

Very nice blade and leatherwork. I'm sure that he'll like it. The smaller knife is nice as well.

 

[mmmotorcycle]

Great looking blade! In a year I should be ready for something like that. The only problem is that, because of its size, he can't actually use it on scout events. Boyscouts is a very liberal organization:grumpy:.

 

[AustinTXShooter]

Great looking blade! In a year I should be ready for something like that. The only problem is that, because of its size, he can't actually use it on scout events. Boyscouts is a very liberal organization:grumpy:.

That is not a completely accurate statement, at least in my experience. There is no national policy against fixed blades in scouts, they are just discouraged in favor of folding knives and for good reason. If you went on a camp out with a bunch of 11 and 12-year-olds that just joined scouts, you would see why this is the case. The problem isn't that fixed blades cut you worse than folding knives or are inherently more dangerous, it is that when people (especially younger kids) get a fixed blade, they want to throw it. Yes I know scouts should be taught knife safety, but you try teaching knife safety to an 11-year-old who has never handled a knife in his life. They have a five second attention span and a few minutes after you lecture them on knife safety, they will be doing something unsafe again. It can be done, but it is not something that can be done in one or two days, which is how long most camp outs are. 99% of the time all a scout is going to use their knife for is whittling a stick and a folder will do that just fine.


Also, the knife looks great.

 

[mmmotorcycle]

That is not an accurate statement. There is no policy against fixed blades in scouts, they are just discouraged in favor of folding knives and for good reason. If you went on a camp out with a bunch of 11 and 12-year-olds that just joined scouts, you would see why this is the case. The problem isn't that fixed blades cut you worse than folding knives or are inherently more dangerous, it is that when people (especially younger kids) get a fixed blade, they want to throw it. Yes I know scouts should be taught knife safety, but you try teaching knife safety to an 11-year-old who has never handled a knife in his life. They have a five second attention span and a few minutes after you lecture them on knife safety, they will be doing something unsafe again. It can be done, but it is not something that can be done in one or two days, which is how long most camp outs are. 99% of the time all a scout is going to use their knife for is whittling a stick and a folder will do that just fine.

That is a very true statement. I'll admit my bias of having the local council banning fixed blades larger than your hand. Consequently many of my knives don't see use on trips. Thanks for correcting me!

 

[AustinTXShooter]

I didn't know local councils could ban knives. That sucks for you local troop. The only time we really used fixed blades was when we taught or took the woodcarving merit badge and when we taught or took the Wilderness Survival merit badge. Of course I only have experience with my local council and if they banned fixed blades, no one in my troop ever mentioned it to us. I got my Eagle in 1996 and this past weekend I helped out my dad, who is still the troops scoutmaster, put on a Camp-O-Ree for the local scout district. I couldn't believe how young 11-year-olds were. I am 25 now and haven't been around scouts since I got out of high school, but it was amazing. There were little 11 year olds running around acting out scenes from video games and playing strange games that I had no idea what was going on. I guess capture the flag is not popular anymore. Anyway, after seeing what my dad has to put up with, it made me appreciate the job that scoutmasters do even more. If you would have given some of his scouts fixed blade knives, I guarantee you a game of mumbly peg would have broken out. Either that or they would have run around with the knife trying to kill zombies.

While I don't think they should be carried by scouts, I think scouts should definitely learn how to use the knives. The scouts are going to have to use the knives at some point in their life and scout leaders have the responsibility to teach their scouts how to use them safely. Afterall, a 19 year old with no fixed blade training is just as dangerous as a hyper charged 11 year old with no fixed blade training.

 

[bruce]

Local councils often try to "ban" fixed blades but they don't really have the power to do so. As a unit commissioner, my unit was once told the troop couldn't bring fixed blades to scout camp. I looked the camp director in the eye and told him that if he even tried that junk, I'd take my boys to another camp in the area and his name would be brought up when the district brought around their "Friends of Scouting" campaign drive. He backed down.

 

[swede2207]

Thanks for all the good comments guys..i understand he cant use this knife on scouting events..but his dad wanted him to have it for his bob and other outdoor excursions where fixed blades are not only allowed they are expected and appreciated..what do you guys think of the clip instead of a belt loop? later Luke

 

[DOC-CANADA]

Beautiful knife and sheath. He's going to love it.

Doc

 

[mmmotorcycle]

Thanks for all the good comments guys..i understand he cant use this knife on scouting events..but his dad wanted him to have it for his bob and other outdoor excursions where fixed blades are not only allowed they are expected and appreciated..what do you guys think of the clip instead of a belt loop? later Luke

I think your clip design will prove much more versatil for carry on the person. I think he will love it. That said if he wants to strap it to a pack it may have less versatillity. Any way you look at, that sheath is still downright amazing!

 

[swede2207]

Well only the big knife is his..the little one ..well it remains to be seen what will happen to that one..thanks for all the good comments..this kind of thing is what keeps a maker going and it is much appreciated..thanks again Luke

 

[Midwest Ninja]

Those are some BEAUTIFUL sheath's. Wow.

 

[James 61]

Yes I know scouts should be taught knife safety, but you try teaching knife safety to an 11-year-old who has never handled a knife in his life.

Knife safety starts in Cub Scouts when the boys are working on their Bear. Once they pass the requirements they are awarded a Whittling Chip. This allows the Cub Scout to carry a pocket knife. Boy Scouts are also taught knife safety in addition to saw and ax safety. Boy Scouts are awarded a card called a Totin' Chit. No scout (Boy or Cub) is allowed to use or carry a knife, saw, ax or hatchet until they successfully complete the requirements. If a scout displays poor safety or uses an edged tool in an inappropriate manner a corner is cut from the card. After all four corners are cut off the scout losses the privilege of carrying and using a knife saw, ax or hatchet. If your local pack/troop is not using this program they need to look into it.

When I was in Scouts being allowed to carry a pocket knife was a big deal and I was always careful to not jeopardize that privilege. When boys are given the proper incentive they will rise to the challenge. I have personally seen boys as young as 8 successfully learn how to properly handle a knife. I believe that the problem is not with the children but with the adults.

 

[AustinTXShooter]

Knife safety starts in Cub Scouts when the boys are working on their Bear. Once they pass the requirements they are awarded a Whittling Chip. This allows the Cub Scout to carry a pocket knife. Boy Scouts are also taught knife safety in addition to saw and ax safety. Boy Scouts are awarded a card called a Totin' Chit. No scout (Boy or Cub) is allowed to use or carry a knife, saw, ax or hatchet until they successfully complete the requirements. If a scout displays poor safety or uses an edged tool in an inappropriate manner a corner is cut from the card. After all four corners are cut off the scout losses the privilege of carrying and using a knife saw, ax or hatchet. If your local pack/troop is not using this program they need to look into it.

When I was in Scouts being allowed to carry a pocket knife was a big deal and I was always careful to not jeopardize that privilege. When boys are given the proper incentive they will rise to the challenge. I have personally seen boys as young as 8 successfully learn how to properly handle a knife. I believe that the problem is not with the children but with the adults.

I am aware of all of that, as I was in scouts from when I was a Tiger Cub until I got my Eagle. I also know that a lot of boys that join scouts have never handled a knife before and even when they earn their Totin Chip, they still do really stupid crap with their knives. It is really simple for a kid to demonstrate knife safety in front of adults, and then go off and do stuff on their own that is completely unsafe. I also have no doubt that children as young as eight can learn to use a knife, however, I bet they didn't learn knife safety in one or two days. They were probably taught it all their lives from their father or grandfather. Of course I also know that in 12 or 13 years of being in scouts, I don't remember being asked if I had my totin or whittling chip with me. It probably happened in Cub Scouts (that was a long time ago), but I don't remember it ever happening once I was a Boy Scout. It was not just a local troop or council thing either, as I went to Philmont, Northern Tier, Packard High Adventure Base, the National Jamboree, the National Order of the Arrow Conference and several other major scouting events. The idea sounds great in practice and I think it is a smart idea, but it is not like adult leaders are going around and asking scouts if they have their card with them everytime they see them with a knife.



To clarify. I am not saying that scouts shouldn't be or can't be taught knife safety. I believe that they should be taught the correct way to use knives, both fixed and folders, axes, hatchets and saws. What I am saying is that most 11 year olds, especially ones who have not grown up around knives, can't be trusted to always be safe with them. Even if they have displayed knife safety in the past. Most of us like to throw knives now and then, but we also have the knowledge to make sure we know what we are throwing at and what is behind and to both sides of our target. Having dealt with young kids, you cannot always say the same about them. I know they can hurt themselves with a SAK just as easy as they can with a Mora and I know fixed blades have a place in the outdoors, but I don't see any reason why young scouts need to be carrying around fixed blades. Even if they have their Totin Chip.