early 165 UH

tongueriver

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I have an early 165 UH, serial number 14608, from the first production run, in probably 1970. It has the long oval shield, same as an Old Timer, but it is completely blank. The shield and rivets are "silver" colored, like on an OT. All stamps are blade right. I have another one, serial number 2997, MIB, with ALL the bling, probably from the first year of production. All stamps are blade left. This one has the long oval shield also, but it is stamped with the familiar Uncle Henry in script. The shield and rivets are "gold" color. I don't understand why the earlier knife has the "correct" configuration, and the later one is an oddball:jerkit: I put the pix on photobucket, but for some reason I can't get them over here. I had no trouble with it a month ago. Either my computer or the photobucket site is having a little fit of some kind. Comments, anyone?
 
I myself also have a mint 165-UH "Uncle Henry" serial#4345. I have the original old magazine ad for the knife where it is wrote on it it was ordered on 2/12/70. Mine has the brass oval also where the "Uncle Henry" signature is written with the the brass rivets. Mine is tang stamped on the left hand side also? I was curious about that myself. This is the only knife that I have that is tang stamped on the left. ?????
wannacollect
 
With Schrade Walden, lefthand tang stamps were more common than righthand tang stamps. Was this because lefthand sheaths were popular with consumers in the fifties and sixties? For whatever reason, the marks gradually migrated from left to right and sheaths became exclusively right handed over time.

Trying to make sense of the changes in production details is an interesting study. But a very difficult one. Major chnges sometime come in to clearer focus as to the timeline, most often in terms of a sequence, not always a date. Minor changes are a lot more difficult. We cannot depend strictly on catalog illustrations and advertisements, particularly when they are artist's renditions. Production records don't mention minor detail changes and in fact aren't records of production at all, but rather shipping records for a given calendar year.

There are a lot of plausable reasons for variations in the first production 165UH. As a SFO, like it's Old Timer counterpart, the customer might order it with either a blank or custom stamped shielding. I know that Sears did this on occasion, even leaving the factory maker's tang marking intact but adding a custom blade etch with their own "store branding" of Craftsman, Higgins, Sears or whatever, and at times an inhouse pattern name. It wasn't until later that it was more common for them to order custom tang and shield stamps for hunting knives. And even then, those were often generic so as to be used on several different patterns.

Boxed examples, when one may be fairly certain that they are original assemblages, not a group of unrelated pieces put together to make them more profitable for the seller, offer good clues to the production timeline of the knife. But except for a few limited editions, we seldom see a production year spelled out by the factory.

I and others would be interested in seeing pictures or scans of these 165UH you guys have along with good shots of all the bling. I can post them for you if you email them to me. You can find my contact info through my profile (pick my name at the top of the post for a pull down menu).
Michael
 
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The complete assembly and packaging
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The insert brochure - side one
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Insert brochure side two
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Warranty registration sheet
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The 165UH knife
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The 165UH closeup
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The lefthand marks
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The collection
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i'm Going To Sign Up To Be A Gold Member Here In A Few Minutes. I'm Going To Try To Post A Picture Of My 165-uh On Here. I Have Never Done This Before. I Think Larry Posted A Few Pics Of My "hammer Brand" Push Button A Long Time Ago.
wannacollect
 
After you sign up and pay, the upgrade isn't instant or automatic. You have to go to your user control panel and set the upgrade yourself. I think someone somewhere at BF has to throw the big switch to make it effective.

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I have been talking to thawk just now. He was the gentleman who I have talked to a lot in the past personaly.
 
I have been talking to thawk just now. He was the gentleman who I have talked to a lot in the past personaly.

I am here to provide free PhotoBucket/BladeForum customer support. Anything to get more knife pictures and increase forum traffic. :D
 
Thanks,
I have a lot of pics I need to take and display, but it takes me some time to post them. I'm pretty slow, L.O.L.
wannacollect
 
Good deal! Welcome to the gold!

Now, that clipped ad is neat. Notice how the graphic artist flipped the art?
 
Thanks. I'm trying to go through some of my knives now and find a avatar I like. Maybe some Mother of Pearl Sch. Cot Co. ones? I don't know yet? Any ideas?
 
No one but a knife knut 40 or so years later would even notice it. I find such errors all the time in early ads, even in the Schrade and Schrade Walden catalogs. Most often, illustrators and graphic artists were just that, and getting all the details just right didn't matter, Getting the shots stripped into the form and ready for the printing press by the deadline is what mattered. Copy writers were the same way. Note the different blade lengths stated in your ad and other ads. Are you going to try driving nails with that Staglon handle as the copy writer suggests? I love these old ads.
 
Yeah that amused me too (driving nails). I guess they were pretty proud of that new "Staglon" material huh?
 
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