Early Large Lockback Folders

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It’s no secret that I love the buck 110. I was watching the Untouchables and in the cabin scene in Canada, it appears that Sean Connery is cutting his sausage with a VERY large lockback with brass bolsters. The events in the movie took place in the 30s. It got me thinking: before the buck 110, what large (3.5”+ blades) existed? I’ve seen some pictures of the Wilbert Arkansas Lock Blade, and an ebony handled Empire lockback.

If you’re a collector, feel free to post some pictures of your large pre-110 lockback folders.
 
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Not sure when they started making a lockback, only that it was before 1964.

There were also large single and multi blade locking clasp knives prior to 1964, but they may have been the old style tab liner locks.
 
According to the book Remington knives past and present, Remington made a couple. The model R1306 folding hunter lockback, 4 1/2 inches closed. And the model R1630 fisherman's barlow lockback, 5 inches closed. There may have been others. I didn't try to check every listing in the book. Those were both on a 1930 price sheet.

O.B.
 
Mercator k55k "cat knife", AKA Kaiser Wilhelm Messer. Mine is in copper with the 3.5" carbon steel blade. The model goes back to the late 1860s according to most sources.

Zieg
 

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Large lockbacks of one type or the other have been made since at least the mid-1800's. Here's an old 5 1/2" NYK:

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And here's an image from an old Wostenholm catalog. The knife on the right is over 5", the three next to it are right about at 4":

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Eric
 
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Here's a large Utica lockback. It appears to have once had a swing guard.
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Sheffield, the French companies, Solingen, and all of the early American cutlery companies produced large lock backs in the 19th century. The Buck 110 was a modern design but it didn't invent the concept.
 
Absorbing thread, it's a common misconception that Buck somehow started Lockbacks due to the phenomenal success of its iconic 110 model but as we can see, it's far from the case. American, English, French, German and maybe others were making these in the c19th.

Levine (1985, p164.) has this to say " Since the mid - 19th century, the swell-center regular jack handle die has been used for lockback folding hunters. These attractive knives usually have a single clip blade. The only old names I have seen for these knives are "lock knife" and "hunting knife" , which both referred to other patterns as well.
In the 1920s and 1930s, Remington and Utica made single-bladed folding hunters on their swell-center regular large trapper handles."

He shows pictures of these and on previous page 162 a monster Miller Bros. at 5 3/8" The later Remingtons begin to have the lock tab further back on the handle as we usually find Lockbacks today, earlier this was in the middle (Case Copperlock style) or as a raised almost lever like affair. Often Sabre grind was employed

As ever, the exact history of the Lockback is murky. Levine (1975, p.275.) has an illustration from an 1816 catalogue by Smith's Key, Sheffield of two knives that are Lockback (they are Spear blade and look similar to the French pattern known as Pradel.) Interestingly, some of the knives are described as 'spotted knives' meaning clear horn spotted to resemble Tortoise (ever the costly scale) He also refers to Folding Dirks & Bowies from Sheffield and later Germany pp.170-172 which are locking. Some of the values of these folding Bowies from the 1830s are eye watering 3,500-5000 USD and this is near 50 years ago. Butcher, Wostenholm, Wragg, Mills (London). One wonders how well those values have stood up, knife collecting a notoriously fickle and unreliable 'investment' :eek: (Please, no lecture from a pedant here about 'we don't discuss prices...:rolleyes: 😏 ' this is relative and relevant )

Levine also argues that by the 1940s larger Lockbacks had been mainly displaced by fixed blades and small Lockbacks would be a relatively new idea as these were perceived as large working knives. Hence, Buck 'revived' the old spirit with its successful 110.

Thanks, Will
 
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Exceptional and choice examples. On the page with the 2 Bökers and its 1898 catalog, the knife on the left is clearly Stag, but what about the one on the right? Is it what can be termed 'Pressed Stag'? It fascinates me, great Sabre blades too .Both with bails showing a Hunting bias.

Thanks, Will
 
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