Ebay and Natives

Caution is always wise on eBay Jeff, and that particular knife certainly does seem like too good a deal to be true unless it's a BRK. Many sellers, both honest and less than honest, use "stock" pictures that don't really match the knife they are selling, but the combination of obviously stock pictures, that price, and the rather vague description that does nothing to clarify what is really being offered if it does not match the picture, would set of a bunch of warning bells for me too, even given that it's a high/feedback excellent feedback seller. Their reluctance to answer questions would confirm my suspicions also.
 
Hey Jeff! Is it the native that looks like it sitting on a black couch with some sort of tear in the fabric to the right in the picture? If so, I emailed that person too on the same issue to find out if it was a GIN-1 blade...and no reply either. I think you should know me by now and my native addiction as well as yours. I let you know if I did get an honest deal on that other one I won. However, I do want you to consider a trade for that church mouse for a bf pe native. Let me know...thanks!
 
'BRK' is the Blue Ridge Knife production of a native...we NaTiVe lovers do not like this cheaper version of the true Spyderco Natives. The 'BRK' natives usually sport the '1st Generation' tag engraved on the blade of the knife. You can see multiple posts on ebay auctioning these cheaper versions of the Spyderco Native. I would not by one myself but if you prefer to have a cheaper version of the knife...well that is up to you.:(
 
Maybe this is why I don't really like the Native; Mine is a BRK I got on Ebay for about 20 bucks. Having said that, the person I got mine from was good to go, not a ripoff.
Still prefer my blue Delicas.:cool:
 
Hello guys, I normally hang around the SOG forum, but read these threads often because I think Spyderco makes a fine knife. I could not help but respond to this thread because I have a little knowledge of these natives made by some other company (I think). I often visit Smoky mountain knife works where I help behind the counter while representing and signing my knife which is now being made by Sog. (This is not a plug for my knife by no means), Here is just a little more info. to help when looking at these "other" knives.
Somewhere on these forums is a post I read that will explain a lot more about these others than I can. To my point, there are spydercos selling at Smoky here, http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/e...?A=&range=61&Brand=103&Mode=Brand&SKU=SPC41FS ,

I was told these knives were not actually made by Spyderco, as you have said, but I noticed something that may help identify the real ones at a distance in pics, IF they use the REAL pic, and that is the cut-out on the lock bar,that seems to be for a person accidentally pushing down too far on the lock, giving the hand a tad more usable pressure,before making hard contact with the lock, It is not on the smoky model, = Less $. The one listed at ebay has a cutout.

Now for the other story:D I bought one of these versions about 4 months ago, and it is not finished out near as perfect as the original. But, for a beater, mine did ok on cutting and never did close on me accidently, the steel seemed a softer 440 of some type, but did ok. I hope I did not interfere with your thread, but felt I might help someone if they were looking at one in a pic, one other thing, compare the Spyderco stamping on these two models, the one on the smoky knife contains LESS letters on second row, where the steel type or something is normally typed.

And again, all this will help ONLY if the correct pic is used when selling on other sites like mentioned above. I hope this helps someone make a easier choice, and I'm in no way saying these are bad knives by the other company, just a less expensive model of the original I think.
Robbie Roberson :)
P.S. Wish I had a original !:eek:
 
This tread probably has the most definitive information available regarding the BRK Natives, in a post in it Sal explains the history of this knife.

In my opinion, as long as a seller, on eBay or otherwise, clearly states that the knife being sold is a BRK Native, or at least displays pictures that clearly show the blade of the actual knife being offered, then it is up to the buyer to be well enough informed to make an intelligent decision as to whether to buy, and how much to pay.

The problem arises when sellers use "stock" photos and vague descriptions. We, as knife enthusiasts, do have to keep in mind that many eBay sellers are just folks trying to make a few extra bucks by finding things at what they think is a good price and hoping to sell them for a few bucks more, or selling off stuff they inherited. In many cases they have precious little knowledge of the items they are selling, whether that item is a knife or something else. This sometimes works in our favor, when a genuine rare piece goes for cheap because of an uninformed seller and a poor description. Of course it also can work the other way, especially if the seller does just a little research, comes up with something that looks close to what they have, and either fails to understand and note the differences, or fails to even see them. In the case of the Natives, this is a particularly easy error to make, as they are almost certain to find pictures and descriptions of the latest model and highly unlikely to find anything about the BRK without doing serious research. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but my guess is that in at least 90% of these cases, it is just ignorance of the product they are selling, rather than a true desire to deceive anyone, that is being displayed.

As to identifying the BRKs; the lack of a Boye dent is NOT a reliable indicator, the GIN-1 and some, if not all, of the 440V Natives also lack the dent, so about all its lack tells you for sure is that the steel is not S30V. The 440A steel marking on the blade is probably the most certain indicator of a BRK, as no other Native, and no other Spyderco for that matter, used it. The "1st Generation BRK" engraving on the blade is the easiest "red flag" to spot and a dead giveaway, but can also be removed fairly easily by a truly unscrupulous seller. As far as I know, the BRKs are the only C41 FRN Natives with 9 thumb notches, all the others I have seen only have 6 notches, but I am not 100% on this, at least some of the earliest GIN-1 Natives may also have the 9 notches. The clips and barrel screws are also bright steel instead of blued or painted, and although this can be altered and there may be some "regular" Natives that share these fittings as well, their presence can be thought of as another "red flag" warning you to take a closer look at the rest of the knife. I've got one, bought it knowing exactly what I was getting, put a few hours work into the cam to smooth the action, modified the handle a bit, and consider it a pretty decent user now. As Robbie said, 440A does not hold an edge as well as any of the regular Spyderco steels but, to it's credit, it does take a good one real easy and will hold it at least long enough to peel a five pound bag of spuds.

All that being said, to my way of thinking what is particularly sad about the BRK Native is that anyone who purchases one as their first Spyderco will almost certainly not be favorably impressed by it, no matter how little they paid or whether it was clearly advertised as a BRK or not.
 
Thanks for the detailed info on Natives !

Of all the Spyderco's the Native really trips my trigger ! :D Have several - none of the BRK models ! :)

I generally don't purchase too much stuff off of e-bay. . .probability of getting burnt increases dramatically (as in this case). Careful and informed shopping - definitely required ! :)

But I've seen quite a few of the models in question, on e-bay. . .and run away quickly just based on the price. Seeing this info. . .glad that I did !

Thanks again :)
 
The Deacon, Very well said, I agree with you completely, I was not sure about the dent, I just noticed it was not on the "other" versions sold at smoky. Hopefully, with all this info. combined, we will get lucky sometimes and get a original native for a lower price.
One of the first things I noticed on the other version was the blade did not match the back spring, it was quiet a bit smaller in width, and when I looked at a original, it appeared to be exactly the same size, and over all finish was perfect. But again, for 20 bucks, I guess it would be a pretty good deal.
When they first started selling these others, they were about 26 bucks, so if we wait around a few more months, we may get to get them for about $15. :D

Robbie Roberson;)
 
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