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I posted this review a while back on another forum & thought it might have some relevance here. Hope it contributes in a positive way to the topics discussed here on bladeforums. Thanks in advance for reading...
Glen Eberle, Eberlestock's owner, has put together a "discreet" backpack design that can carry a compact weapon but do so without the external features & design screaming "tactical" or "I'm carrying a gun". While I haven't spent any real time discussing with Glen his vision or focus when designing the S25 and S34 packs, it is evident that he is targeting the consumer who is looking to fill the following needs:
--Urban customer who has to transport their weapon(s) in an area where neighbors may not be gun friendly. In other words, need a gun case that doesn't LOOK like a gun case;
--"Prepper/SHTF" customer who forsees the need to transport basic survival items AND a weapon discreetly. Many of these advocates prefer the inherent design features of a backpack vs. a duffel, etc.;
--Customer looking for a "minimalist" day-pack that can accomodate & safely transport a laptop computer and other business or travel accessories. While the S25 Cherry Bomb is a better fit for this application than the S34 due to the shorter vertical length of the pack, both offer a built-in organizer, two storage compartments, and a removable waist belt that can liken this design to a "vertical briefcase" pack;
With the S25 and S34, there are different considerations at play, since these two packs really aren't aimed at the guy looking for a range, match, or hunting setup. These are "Bug Out" designed packs, and this market is still evolving.
Let me say at the onset here that I did not bring in the S25 Cherry Bomb for this review. I opted for the S34 Secret Weapon for a number of reasons, the main being that these packs are identical with regard to features & layout. They vary only in dimensions, as the S25 Cherry Bomb is nothing but a scaled down version of the s34 Secret Weapon. With this being said, I'm going to cut/paste the features described by Eberlestock for the S25 below, so you have some reference of the capabilities of that model (again, S25 is the "little brother" to the S34, with an identical layout in a smaller package as the S34):
The 'S' line of packs takes Eberlestock's design ethic of bringing you "more than meets the eye" in an entirely new direction. With a unique aesthetic, the packs are purposely made with a minimalist exterior combined with a feature-rich interior. Perhaps you're one of those people who wants a pack to carry your weapon, but you don't want it to scream "military" or "hunter." Without question, the 'S' packs, originally conceived to complement our Stealth Rifle Chassis, look civilian, as in civil, and sporty.
If you want a bag that will carry a folding sniper rifle, an 11" barreled M4, or that doubles as compact luggage, check out the S34 Secret Weapon.
If, on the other hand, you want a slim-line day bag that works equally well as a laptop carrier or as a pack for a 7" barreled M4, check out the S25 Cherry Bomb. In our field trials with the packs, the Cherry Bomb became thought of as a "vertical briefcase." With the waist belt removed, it's an ultra-comfortable, handy little pack that is right at home running through airports or going from home-to-car-to-office and back. No doubt you'll spot these bags riding the subways of the world with the morning commute.
The smaller S25 Cherry Bomb has two main compartments, plus an outside pocket under the coffin-logo panel.
-- In the first "public" compartment, you'll find translucent slip-pockets suitable for iphones, with a double pen slot between them, a semi-rigid document / laptop sleeve (which alternates as a hydration bladder stowage pocket, as shown above), opposing rows of MOLLE/PALS type webbing, and a mesh pocket inside the front door.
-- In the second, "private" compartment, you'll find another sleeve suitable for a laptop, plus the main weapon stowage compartment. This is sized for a 7" barreled M4 or similar proportioned weapon (Primary Weapons Systems Diablo shown above). The pack measures 24.5" x 11", and this pocket uses the full dimensions. Also here, you'll find a nice organizer assembly, with two padded magazine / iphone / compact camera compartments, pen sleeves, a zippered pocket, a tuck-pocket, and a key-keeper hook.
-- The pack includes a rain cover stowed in a pocket in the bottom.
-- Removable waistbelt has two zippered pockets (although our favorite way to use this pack is executive-style, with the waistbelt removed).
So, now that there is a little background in place, lets talk about the Eberlestock S34 Secret Weapon backpack...
Glen's offering in the S34 is unique, in that it's top to bottom length runs 30 inches & can accomodate a long gun up to 29.5 inches in length (overall length or broken down), is hydration compatible (either a 2 or 3 Liter Bladder is workable) AND has a shoulder harness & waist belt system augmented by a framesheet & aluminum stays for stability. There are a couple of other competing offerings out there (I won't go into their names or makes) but none offer the same compact length, a waist belt, lumbar pad, vertically adjustable shoulder harness, can accomodate a hydration bladder, or incorporate a framesheet with aluminium stays. Just because they're "discreet", can carry a weapon, and have shoulder straps like a backpack doesn't give them the same capabilities as the S34. So, based on my initial observations & research into this product arena, Eberlestock's design & features with this pack is both unique and without equal.
Externally, there is nothing about this pack that tips off the unsuspecting observer that it is (or can be used as) a weapon carrier. The demo model shown in the pics for this review is in Military Green / Urban Gray. There is NO external molle webbing, and the three colors currently being offered (Black / Urban Gray, Coyote Brown / Dry Earth, and Military Green / Urban Gray) are coordinated in a way that projects more recreational pursuits than tactical/military. Save the coffin-shaped front panel with the Eberlestock brand, the casual observer is going to see a pack that more closely resembles a tennis racquet bag than a hauler of firearm(s).
Now, on to the interior of the S34 Secret Weapon pack...
There are two load carrying compartments for this pack. Each is accessed via dual YKK zipper pulls and run from the top edge & top third of the pack down to the lower third of the pack. However, instead of running the edge, the zipper flap tapers toward the middle section, making the flap resemble a teardrop when fully unzipped.
The first compartment uses a waterproof zipper and runs approximately 24 inches from the top to bottom & is roughly 12.5 inches wide at the top. At the top wall of the compartment are two translucent pouches that are roughly 5 inches long & 4.5 inches tall. There is no way to close the pockets, but they'd be a handy place to keep a wallet, passport, etc. There is a 10.5 inch sleeve built into the compartment. There are three rows of molle webbing at the exterior of this sleeve, which can be used to mount molle compatible pouches, blow out kits, survival knife, holster, etc. The inside of this sleeve is 1.25 inches deep and is a good place for a hydration bladder, tablet/laptop, rifle mags, ammo, etc. At the flap (opposing the sleeve within the compartment) is one row of molle webbing and a mesh pocket with zipper access.
The main compartment, is similiar in layout to the secondary compartment but on a larger scale.
As you can see from the pic, there are two sleeves in this compartment, oriented one above the other. The lower sleeve has three rows of molle webbing and is approximately 12.5 inches from top edge to the bottom, 12.5 inches wide at the top and is 2 inches deep. The upper sleeve is the best place to stow your weapon. It has two rows of molle webbing at it's exterior & is approx. 23.5 inches from the top edge to the bottom, 12.5 inches wide at the top edge, but is 4.25 inches deep. This last dimension is important because the added space is needed to accomodate the width of the weapon being hauled, be it a folding chassis, AR/AK, etc. Opposing the two sleeves (on the external flap) is an organizer. There are two mag pouches that can accomodate 30-round AR or AK mags. There is a nylon pouch between the mag holders that includes an organizer for a notepad, writing instruments, etc.
Here are some possible configurations I decided to show. The AK underfolder is a perfect fit for the weapon sleeve. While it can be argued pro/con as to whether an AK with underfolder stock makes for an "ideal" bug out weapon, I think it makes for a good "demo" weapon for this pack, as most folks here have some familiarity with the AK's size (just under 27 inches with the underfolder in collapse mode), dimensions, etc. Of note, a carbine AR with collapseable stock will NOT fit within the confines of this compartment. I tried a Stag Arms AR with 16" barrel & collapseable stock, which is 32.5 inches from muzzle to buttstock when fully collapsed. As you can see, the muzzle protrudes roughly 2.5 inches above the top edge of the pack. While the weapon WILL FIT if you break it down to it's upper & lower parts, you cannot run the weapon in ready to go mode.
Unfortunately, I don't own (or have access to) a bolt rifle setup that utilizes either a folding chassis or stock. Hopefully I'll get an opportunity in the future to document fit...
Finally, here is a pic of of the pack fully loaded as is pictured above. As you can see, it carries & disguises the contents well.
Here's a list of what is inside:
--ONE: AK underfolder;
--ONE: 2 mag molle pouch;
--ONE: 3 mag molle pouch;
--TWO: 30-round AK mags;
--ONE: 3 Liter Hydration Bladder;
--ONE: Molle holster with Taurus PT-145 handgun;
--ONE: Zero Tolerance Combat Knife;
--ONE: Fenix LED TK15 Flashlight;
--ONE: Blow Out/Trauma Kit with QuikClot;
These components took up about half the overall capacity for the S34 pack. There is room for a few MRE packages, 200-300 rounds of 7.62 AK ammo, couple of ponchos, a fleece jacket, basic survival kit, 2 shirts/pants/underwear, etc. If one were to equip this pack as a range bag, you'd have no issue whatsoever replacing the "bug out" equipment for a portable gunsmith tool set, rangefinder, ammo, mags, etc. A spotter & tripod is easily affixed to the side of the pack.
Finally, one of the features that really sets this pack apart from anything similiar on the market is the harness system. The shoulder harness is fully adjustable to accomodate various torso lengths. Like other Eberlestock packs, the S34 Secret Weapon (and S25 Cherry Bomb) is designed to "ride high" like a mountaineering pack. The lumbar pad is large & designed to center the load over your hips. Used in tandem with the padded waist belt, it helps in alleviating the stress & fatigue that is created when the load is born at the shoulders. So, you can carry heavier loads more comfortably (and for longer periods of time) with this harness system. Stability is provided by both a plastic framesheet AND two vertically oriented aluminum stays. There are no competitors that utilize such a system.
If I have one gripe with this pack, it has to do with accessing the main compartment while you're running a hydration bladder at the secondary compartment. There is a small hydration port at the top of the secondary compartment (merely a cutout for you to run the hose). If you're running the hose out of this compartment & securing the mouthpiece at the shoulder harness, then it makes it impossible to fully open the main compartment. You can unzip it, but it won't unfurl because the hose is in the way. You can avoid this problem by running the bladder at the lower sleeve in the main compartment, but then you'll need a longer hose and it will run out of the top of the compartment (no hydration port, so you can't zip the compartment closed and run the hose out).
In summary, this pack is in a class all it's own if you're living in an urban area where you don't want to around attention while you're transporting a weapon. In a "SHTF / Bug Out" application, it offers the same under the radar design yet provides enough capacity to accomodate the gear necessary if you find yourself in such a situation for 48-72 hours. There is even a built in rain fly at the bottom of the pack that can be engaged if needed, keeping both the survival contents & weapon dry. As far as accessories are concerned, you can consider hydration bladder(s), 2 Liter Accessory Pouch (AN2P), Saddle Bag (A3SB), Airwave Pouch (A1AA), or the Small/Large Padded Accessory Pouch (A1MP or A2MP).
Thanks for taking the time to ready this review. Please feel free to get in touch anytime you have questions or are interested in picking up an S25 or S34. You can find these pack on deltaoutdoorsman.com by clicking the link HERE. I'll try to update this thread as feedback comes in from users in the field.
Ceylon
deltaoutdoorsman.com
Glen Eberle, Eberlestock's owner, has put together a "discreet" backpack design that can carry a compact weapon but do so without the external features & design screaming "tactical" or "I'm carrying a gun". While I haven't spent any real time discussing with Glen his vision or focus when designing the S25 and S34 packs, it is evident that he is targeting the consumer who is looking to fill the following needs:
--Urban customer who has to transport their weapon(s) in an area where neighbors may not be gun friendly. In other words, need a gun case that doesn't LOOK like a gun case;
--"Prepper/SHTF" customer who forsees the need to transport basic survival items AND a weapon discreetly. Many of these advocates prefer the inherent design features of a backpack vs. a duffel, etc.;
--Customer looking for a "minimalist" day-pack that can accomodate & safely transport a laptop computer and other business or travel accessories. While the S25 Cherry Bomb is a better fit for this application than the S34 due to the shorter vertical length of the pack, both offer a built-in organizer, two storage compartments, and a removable waist belt that can liken this design to a "vertical briefcase" pack;
With the S25 and S34, there are different considerations at play, since these two packs really aren't aimed at the guy looking for a range, match, or hunting setup. These are "Bug Out" designed packs, and this market is still evolving.
Let me say at the onset here that I did not bring in the S25 Cherry Bomb for this review. I opted for the S34 Secret Weapon for a number of reasons, the main being that these packs are identical with regard to features & layout. They vary only in dimensions, as the S25 Cherry Bomb is nothing but a scaled down version of the s34 Secret Weapon. With this being said, I'm going to cut/paste the features described by Eberlestock for the S25 below, so you have some reference of the capabilities of that model (again, S25 is the "little brother" to the S34, with an identical layout in a smaller package as the S34):
The 'S' line of packs takes Eberlestock's design ethic of bringing you "more than meets the eye" in an entirely new direction. With a unique aesthetic, the packs are purposely made with a minimalist exterior combined with a feature-rich interior. Perhaps you're one of those people who wants a pack to carry your weapon, but you don't want it to scream "military" or "hunter." Without question, the 'S' packs, originally conceived to complement our Stealth Rifle Chassis, look civilian, as in civil, and sporty.
If you want a bag that will carry a folding sniper rifle, an 11" barreled M4, or that doubles as compact luggage, check out the S34 Secret Weapon.
If, on the other hand, you want a slim-line day bag that works equally well as a laptop carrier or as a pack for a 7" barreled M4, check out the S25 Cherry Bomb. In our field trials with the packs, the Cherry Bomb became thought of as a "vertical briefcase." With the waist belt removed, it's an ultra-comfortable, handy little pack that is right at home running through airports or going from home-to-car-to-office and back. No doubt you'll spot these bags riding the subways of the world with the morning commute.
The smaller S25 Cherry Bomb has two main compartments, plus an outside pocket under the coffin-logo panel.
-- In the first "public" compartment, you'll find translucent slip-pockets suitable for iphones, with a double pen slot between them, a semi-rigid document / laptop sleeve (which alternates as a hydration bladder stowage pocket, as shown above), opposing rows of MOLLE/PALS type webbing, and a mesh pocket inside the front door.
-- In the second, "private" compartment, you'll find another sleeve suitable for a laptop, plus the main weapon stowage compartment. This is sized for a 7" barreled M4 or similar proportioned weapon (Primary Weapons Systems Diablo shown above). The pack measures 24.5" x 11", and this pocket uses the full dimensions. Also here, you'll find a nice organizer assembly, with two padded magazine / iphone / compact camera compartments, pen sleeves, a zippered pocket, a tuck-pocket, and a key-keeper hook.
-- The pack includes a rain cover stowed in a pocket in the bottom.
-- Removable waistbelt has two zippered pockets (although our favorite way to use this pack is executive-style, with the waistbelt removed).
So, now that there is a little background in place, lets talk about the Eberlestock S34 Secret Weapon backpack...
Glen's offering in the S34 is unique, in that it's top to bottom length runs 30 inches & can accomodate a long gun up to 29.5 inches in length (overall length or broken down), is hydration compatible (either a 2 or 3 Liter Bladder is workable) AND has a shoulder harness & waist belt system augmented by a framesheet & aluminum stays for stability. There are a couple of other competing offerings out there (I won't go into their names or makes) but none offer the same compact length, a waist belt, lumbar pad, vertically adjustable shoulder harness, can accomodate a hydration bladder, or incorporate a framesheet with aluminium stays. Just because they're "discreet", can carry a weapon, and have shoulder straps like a backpack doesn't give them the same capabilities as the S34. So, based on my initial observations & research into this product arena, Eberlestock's design & features with this pack is both unique and without equal.
Externally, there is nothing about this pack that tips off the unsuspecting observer that it is (or can be used as) a weapon carrier. The demo model shown in the pics for this review is in Military Green / Urban Gray. There is NO external molle webbing, and the three colors currently being offered (Black / Urban Gray, Coyote Brown / Dry Earth, and Military Green / Urban Gray) are coordinated in a way that projects more recreational pursuits than tactical/military. Save the coffin-shaped front panel with the Eberlestock brand, the casual observer is going to see a pack that more closely resembles a tennis racquet bag than a hauler of firearm(s).
Now, on to the interior of the S34 Secret Weapon pack...
There are two load carrying compartments for this pack. Each is accessed via dual YKK zipper pulls and run from the top edge & top third of the pack down to the lower third of the pack. However, instead of running the edge, the zipper flap tapers toward the middle section, making the flap resemble a teardrop when fully unzipped.
The first compartment uses a waterproof zipper and runs approximately 24 inches from the top to bottom & is roughly 12.5 inches wide at the top. At the top wall of the compartment are two translucent pouches that are roughly 5 inches long & 4.5 inches tall. There is no way to close the pockets, but they'd be a handy place to keep a wallet, passport, etc. There is a 10.5 inch sleeve built into the compartment. There are three rows of molle webbing at the exterior of this sleeve, which can be used to mount molle compatible pouches, blow out kits, survival knife, holster, etc. The inside of this sleeve is 1.25 inches deep and is a good place for a hydration bladder, tablet/laptop, rifle mags, ammo, etc. At the flap (opposing the sleeve within the compartment) is one row of molle webbing and a mesh pocket with zipper access.
The main compartment, is similiar in layout to the secondary compartment but on a larger scale.
As you can see from the pic, there are two sleeves in this compartment, oriented one above the other. The lower sleeve has three rows of molle webbing and is approximately 12.5 inches from top edge to the bottom, 12.5 inches wide at the top and is 2 inches deep. The upper sleeve is the best place to stow your weapon. It has two rows of molle webbing at it's exterior & is approx. 23.5 inches from the top edge to the bottom, 12.5 inches wide at the top edge, but is 4.25 inches deep. This last dimension is important because the added space is needed to accomodate the width of the weapon being hauled, be it a folding chassis, AR/AK, etc. Opposing the two sleeves (on the external flap) is an organizer. There are two mag pouches that can accomodate 30-round AR or AK mags. There is a nylon pouch between the mag holders that includes an organizer for a notepad, writing instruments, etc.
Here are some possible configurations I decided to show. The AK underfolder is a perfect fit for the weapon sleeve. While it can be argued pro/con as to whether an AK with underfolder stock makes for an "ideal" bug out weapon, I think it makes for a good "demo" weapon for this pack, as most folks here have some familiarity with the AK's size (just under 27 inches with the underfolder in collapse mode), dimensions, etc. Of note, a carbine AR with collapseable stock will NOT fit within the confines of this compartment. I tried a Stag Arms AR with 16" barrel & collapseable stock, which is 32.5 inches from muzzle to buttstock when fully collapsed. As you can see, the muzzle protrudes roughly 2.5 inches above the top edge of the pack. While the weapon WILL FIT if you break it down to it's upper & lower parts, you cannot run the weapon in ready to go mode.
Unfortunately, I don't own (or have access to) a bolt rifle setup that utilizes either a folding chassis or stock. Hopefully I'll get an opportunity in the future to document fit...
Finally, here is a pic of of the pack fully loaded as is pictured above. As you can see, it carries & disguises the contents well.
Here's a list of what is inside:
--ONE: AK underfolder;
--ONE: 2 mag molle pouch;
--ONE: 3 mag molle pouch;
--TWO: 30-round AK mags;
--ONE: 3 Liter Hydration Bladder;
--ONE: Molle holster with Taurus PT-145 handgun;
--ONE: Zero Tolerance Combat Knife;
--ONE: Fenix LED TK15 Flashlight;
--ONE: Blow Out/Trauma Kit with QuikClot;
These components took up about half the overall capacity for the S34 pack. There is room for a few MRE packages, 200-300 rounds of 7.62 AK ammo, couple of ponchos, a fleece jacket, basic survival kit, 2 shirts/pants/underwear, etc. If one were to equip this pack as a range bag, you'd have no issue whatsoever replacing the "bug out" equipment for a portable gunsmith tool set, rangefinder, ammo, mags, etc. A spotter & tripod is easily affixed to the side of the pack.
Finally, one of the features that really sets this pack apart from anything similiar on the market is the harness system. The shoulder harness is fully adjustable to accomodate various torso lengths. Like other Eberlestock packs, the S34 Secret Weapon (and S25 Cherry Bomb) is designed to "ride high" like a mountaineering pack. The lumbar pad is large & designed to center the load over your hips. Used in tandem with the padded waist belt, it helps in alleviating the stress & fatigue that is created when the load is born at the shoulders. So, you can carry heavier loads more comfortably (and for longer periods of time) with this harness system. Stability is provided by both a plastic framesheet AND two vertically oriented aluminum stays. There are no competitors that utilize such a system.
If I have one gripe with this pack, it has to do with accessing the main compartment while you're running a hydration bladder at the secondary compartment. There is a small hydration port at the top of the secondary compartment (merely a cutout for you to run the hose). If you're running the hose out of this compartment & securing the mouthpiece at the shoulder harness, then it makes it impossible to fully open the main compartment. You can unzip it, but it won't unfurl because the hose is in the way. You can avoid this problem by running the bladder at the lower sleeve in the main compartment, but then you'll need a longer hose and it will run out of the top of the compartment (no hydration port, so you can't zip the compartment closed and run the hose out).
In summary, this pack is in a class all it's own if you're living in an urban area where you don't want to around attention while you're transporting a weapon. In a "SHTF / Bug Out" application, it offers the same under the radar design yet provides enough capacity to accomodate the gear necessary if you find yourself in such a situation for 48-72 hours. There is even a built in rain fly at the bottom of the pack that can be engaged if needed, keeping both the survival contents & weapon dry. As far as accessories are concerned, you can consider hydration bladder(s), 2 Liter Accessory Pouch (AN2P), Saddle Bag (A3SB), Airwave Pouch (A1AA), or the Small/Large Padded Accessory Pouch (A1MP or A2MP).
Thanks for taking the time to ready this review. Please feel free to get in touch anytime you have questions or are interested in picking up an S25 or S34. You can find these pack on deltaoutdoorsman.com by clicking the link HERE. I'll try to update this thread as feedback comes in from users in the field.
Ceylon
deltaoutdoorsman.com