ECWCS Gear Question

Uncle Timbo

Uncle Timbo

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Have any of you guys ever bought any of the Tru Spec H2O Proof Gen 2, ECWCS jackets or pants made with their version of Gortex that they refer to as Dintex?
I know if you want the real deal, to simply buy it. But money doesn't grow on trees and there are other things I want.

I hope I'm allowed to ask that question here, if not, I'll simply delete. Thanks, Tim.
 
Kootaga13 said:
Have any of you guys ever bought any of the Tru Spec H2O Proof Gen 2, ECWCS jackets or pants made with their version of Gortex that they refer to as Dintex?
I know if you want the real deal, to simply buy it. But money doesn't grow on trees and there are other things I want.

I hope I'm allowed to ask that question here, if not, I'll simply delete. Thanks, Tim.
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Tru Spec makes ECWCS pants? Now you have me curious how they compare to the authentic military pants that are out there.
 
I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

I'm very much aware of the limitations of the best hardshells Gore / Event, and mostly this concerns the long term durability of the DWR. These days you can even find jackets [uber-light gentle trail rambling jackets for those that insist on walking trails in Plimsolles] that try to address that deficiency by having the membrane as the outermost part of the fabric. But if you want something to tackle the wet, not just drizzle but protracted duration wet that includes water pressure from under your pack straps to sitting in wet stuff this is where you need to be. Whether it is Gore or Event or whoever, you'll need something that can take water pressure. You need the big numbers. The rest of the time be happy in your softshell and load up on breathability, fast drying, and comfort in damp.

My understanding of DingZing's Dintex is that it comes in three series 1] high, 2] medium 3] low breathability. My understanding is based on a thing from exhibitors at Techtextile in Frankfurt. I have no data as to what numbers may correlate with high. medium, low. I recoil from that no less slowly than when I see “surgical steel” written on a knife. What I am clear on [from the same source] is what all three series have in common is a water resistance [don't know how they measured - just their claim] of 10000mm.

Conclusion: If I needed the a hardshell in one of the top tier fabrics I'd be selecting something roughly 3* as waterproof as this. And if I needed a softshell even the most optimistic combination of this fabric and whatever they attach it to would be totally useless to me. Then there is the quality of the tape and the DWR quality…

Similar to Gore-Tex is wilfully ambiguous, allegedly.

Just for grins -

https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/...orTex_Gen_2__56k_FOAD__Updated_9_2/10-252564/
 
Mr. Taco - you pretty much told me what I assumed but didn't know. Basically, you get what you pay for. Thank you for the education.
 
Mah pleasure amigo.

On the testimony of the below I don't think I'd want anything from that company anyway. Short version: He bought the jacket used and clearly the drop liner was knackered. He's not especially au fait with the topic but was willing to accept his lumps to the extent of cutting out the liner. But he wanted to know so he contacted the company to ask “is this normal?”. He says he would have happily embraced even negative information along the lines of “nope, yours is borked, that's ...”. He got totally stonewalled. [starts around 9.5 mins in].


I strongly suspect he'd have done better with even the most entry level of Gore-Tex jackets. Something really basic like the Craghoppers Mens Ashton Gtx Jacket which I've just seen on a huge river your side of the pond for $135.63. Ho hum.
 
baldtaco-II said:
I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

I'm very much aware of the limitations of the best hardshells Gore / Event, and mostly this concerns the long term durability of the DWR. These days you can even find jackets [uber-light gentle trail rambling jackets for those that insist on walking trails in Plimsolles] that try to address that deficiency by having the membrane as the outermost part of the fabric. But if you want something to tackle the wet, not just drizzle but protracted duration wet that includes water pressure from under your pack straps to sitting in wet stuff this is where you need to be. Whether it is Gore or Event or whoever, you'll need something that can take water pressure. You need the big numbers. The rest of the time be happy in your softshell and load up on breathability, fast drying, and comfort in damp.

My understanding of DingZing's Dintex is that it comes in three series 1] high, 2] medium 3] low breathability. My understanding is based on a thing from exhibitors at Techtextile in Frankfurt. I have no data as to what numbers may correlate with high. medium, low. I recoil from that no less slowly than when I see “surgical steel” written on a knife. What I am clear on [from the same source] is what all three series have in common is a water resistance [don't know how they measured - just their claim] of 10000mm.

Conclusion: If I needed the a hardshell in one of the top tier fabrics I'd be selecting something roughly 3* as waterproof as this. And if I needed a softshell even the most optimistic combination of this fabric and whatever they attach it to would be totally useless to me. Then there is the quality of the tape and the DWR quality…

Similar to Gore-Tex is wilfully ambiguous, allegedly.

Just for grins -

https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/...orTex_Gen_2__56k_FOAD__Updated_9_2/10-252564/
Click to expand...
What would you suggest for an upper and lower shell then?
 
The tru-spec H2O stuff isn't very good, the seams leak and its just poorly made in general. The issue gortex mil jackets are much better. You can pick up good used woodland Gortex jackets pretty reasonable, add a good fleece under it and you can stay comfortable layering in some pretty bad weather.
 
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