Ed Fowler's Performance Blade School - Test Results

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I have just completed my six day course at the Willow Bow Ranch under the expert tutelege of Ed Fowler, Butch Deveraux and Jeff Davidson. I will be taking home my test blade, a half dozen blades in progress and all the happy memories and knowledge that will fit in my brain!

As a final demonstration of my studies, I destruction tested my very first blade. It sailed through all the rather severe tests that Ed and his team devised and is a testament to their teaching, especially considering my total lack of experience in forging, grinding and heat treatment.

Thanks guys!

Tip Strength Test

First, I repeatedly stabbed the blade tip first and edge out in to the steel base of the Burr-King grinder. The tip embedded happily with no slippage and no dammage at all.

This shows that my grind struck a good balance of fineness and strength. Also, it shows that I had neither over-heated, nor under-hardened the tip during forging and quenching, respectively.

Repeated Edge Deflection

This is a semi-destructive test that all blades here are subjected to. I depressed the blade against a smooth steel with all my weight, till a visable deflection of the edge was seen. Then, this deflection was dragged along the entire edge of the blade from ricasso to tip, effectively bending the hard edge material. Then I flipped the blade over and bent it the other way. The blade went through 20 passes withg no dammage. On the 21st pass, you could hear the quiet chipping of the edge material, leaving fine rolled chips along the entire edge of the blade.

This shows that the grind was good and the heat treatment was uniform.

Over 400 Cuts of Hemp Rope

After that, I sharpened the blade and proceeded to cut through a 1/2" strand of a 1 1/8" hemp rope over 400 times. My cutting technique needs some refining and I gave up due to my blisters. At that point, the knife would still shave paper and had a lot of cutting left in it. No sharpening or steeling was permitted, but I could strop the edge on my dry palm every fifty cuts or so.

This shows that the blade was easily sharpened from a dammaged, chipped-out state and could then hold its edge.

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Blade Etch

The Ferric Chloride etch showed a consistent quench line and fine grain structure at the edge, from the tip to the ricasso. From about an inch from the tip to the back of the blade was fully softened material. The quench line was beautiful to behold. And no flaws were detected.

Flex Tests

First, I bent the blade to 90°. Then I took a lot of photos. :) This one was taken during the actual bending. As you can see I resorted to a cheater pipe. The blade bent pretty uniformly over its entire length and returned to 45°. The bend was gradual and controlled.

Then, I turned the blade around and bent it a full 180° right over to the other side. Then I reversed it and bent it another 180°. After a 90° and two 180° bends the knife was still going strong and I couldn't detect any work fatigue. I am sure I could have continued several times more.

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As you can see, there was no cracking or chipping of the edge and the blade could have been bent back to true and used again.

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I considered that, but after a while, I decided I quite like it as it is!

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I'll be back later to publish more about my experiences in Wyoming.
 
Cool, thanks for sharing :)

You look to be one happy camper :D

One question though, the base of my Burr King is aluminum... why not just use a block of aluminum rather than tear up the grinder base? I would imagine you were directed to, and it wasn't your idea, I'm just curious.

Thanks :)
-Nick-
 
Way to go, ZDP! I don't have the temerity to do that to one of my knives. Cool to know you can make something that even someone like Cliff couldn't destroy too easily! :D
 
First off I want to congratulate Dan on making a very fine blade that passed all of the High Performance blade testing with flying colors. Dan is a great fellow and a quick learner. I thoroughly enjoyed coaching him and we've also became very good friends over the past 6 days. It was great fun watching his progress. As we would go through each process he would often ask why we were so diligent doing each process, why we were setting such stringent standards for our blades, and why on earth subject them to possibly destructive testing. I wish I could have had him on video when I started edge flexing one of Eds blades. :eek: I do have to admit that I probably had the same expression and used the same expletives that he did the first time I saw it being performed. Once Dan finished his blade and began his testing his enthusiasm soared. I think you can get a good idea how he felt by his picture holding his flexed blade. :D
GREAT JOB DAN!!!!!!

I am also very happy to say that Dan is the proud new owner of the second knife I have ever made. I met Dan at Blade show and he looked over my knives there and seemed very interested in how they perform and the quality of my knives since I only started making knives in April of this year under Ed Fowler. When he arrived in Riverton he told me that he was considering purchasing the larger of my 2 that I was willing to sell. (I am definitely keeping #1 and will probably hang on to #3 as well)
After the first day of the class he told me that he did want to purchase it. He payed me for it and then stated that he would allow me to keep it for awhile so I can display it at some future shows. I am planning on displaying it at Blade West. Thanks Dan
 
Great thread, Dan....thanks for the quick trip to Willow Bow!:cool:
I bought one of Ed's "Gentleman's Pronghorn's" (oal. 6.5"..blade length 2.75") and have been most interested to read all the various angles of thought on Ed's knives/philosophy/lifestyle etc. currently being presented in various fora here.
No regrets on my part concerning spending close to double my previous high limit on one of the smaller knives in my collection. Ed's Pronghorns are giants in other dimensions IMHO!
Some will say I drank the Fowler Kool-Aid.......but the taste in my mouth is still sweet!!:cool:
Thanks Ed! Thanks Butch! Thanks to all who've posted here and elsewhere!
 
:) there's to many Dans around here :D

Dan That sounds great to me, it means two things to me..
the new batches of JDM 5160 steel should be working top notch,
and being done by a fledgling means there is a good chance it's a forgiving steel at least
to work with great results for the others once we can get a repeatable process for others to follow...
will you elaborate on the way you went about the heat treat you did
and plan to follow..

I got your mail also i just got back from having some teeth out :eek: oh joy..
:) I'll get to it I hope shortly... thanks for the post Dan..
 
Wow that sounds like an incredible experience. Can't wait to one day be able to start forging.

Congratulations to you.

Sean
 
Dan,
Thanks for posting, w/ pictures. You look like you're having some fun with it. Good luck to you! Keep us posted on future results.
David
 
Hi ZDP-189,
I'm curious about your user name, isn't that a new "super steel" that Rockwells in the high 60's and is still very tough? I think William Henry Knives uses it now.
Just wondering.
You must have learned alot being instructed by Ed and his gang, that's many years of research combined. I would like to attend sometime.
BillFoote
 
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