EDC for self-defense purposes.

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I am curious to know how many of us have had to use knives in self defence situations.
My feeling is that carrying a blade for self defense suggests that the possibility of problems is at the fore front of the carriers mind and as such he is more likely to be aware of his surroundings etc and take evasive action early enough to avoid a confrontation.
 
Interesting question.

In my experience on this forum and others related (which is admittedly limited), many people look for knives that fit into some self defense application, but very few have actually used a knife for self-defense.

I certainly don't carry for SD purposes, but I would not hesitate to use my knives on an attacking animal or the like. I would have to be in a VERY bad situation to use the knife (or attempt to use it) against another human. My skills are weak and I would fear getting the knife turned against me. If I thought I would be dead otherwise, I may do it.

I have never in 30 years been in any situation that would require me to use a knife on a person. I don't plan on doing things in the future that would put me at greater risk either...
 
You have a point there, however in my twenty plus years of martial arts training I have found that a knife gives more disadvantages in a fighting situation. Specially in the hands of an untrained civilian. What happens is that the holder of the knife is limited in their minds to act only with the knife that they are holding. This makes a very one dimensional fighter and not very effective. The act of holding the knife and advertising it to the opposition telegraphs your next movements. All the opposition has to do is throw a bottle or a rock to the face. You are limited to movements also. Thrust, slash, stab, very one dimensional. where as me, the unarmed fighter, can grab the wrist, while kicking you in the shin and poking you in the eyes with my other hand all at one swift movement. That's an unfair statement because not everyone can do that, but still even an untrained person can keep there distance a just use what ever is in the environment agaisnt the knife wielder.
 
I have to disagree that a knife has more disadvantages the advantages. It is just another tool in your arsenal. You still can punch, kick and block. You might not be effective in grappling, but your strikes will be many times more lethal than a punch. And even if you are a one dimensional fighter, I rather be one dimenisional with a knife than as a one dimensional striker or grappler. The key is to be well round in your self defense, so that you may act and react to the changing situation
 
Supermoto makes some good points. Your reactions are what keeps you safe. Know where you are and be alert to everything around you. Most importantly, be calm. It's like when people get hurt falling down. Why do they get hurt? Because they tense up and the body, obviously, isn't as fluid when tense. If you're attacked on the street, stay calm and you'll be more readily able to dodge or strike back. Of course, that's not as easy as it seems on TV.

I think any knife of decent size (2.5 inches plus straight blade) could be used for self defense. But the question still remains, is it a good idea to do so?

I consider myself fairly skilled in the ways of using a knife, have been doing so for the past 18 years. But I probably wouldn't considering using one in a self defense situation.

I'm little, only 5'6", and you don't survive for almost 24 years being that small not knowing how to take care of yourself. If faced with a situation that I needed to protect myself, I would trust my physical fighting ability a lot more than my knife wielding ability. But more than anything, I'd rely on my good ol' Bates Enforcers to get me the hell out of that situation.

The ONLY time I've ever made the motion to pull a knife on someone was late at night when a drunk was harrassing a friend.

We were lying in bed, unable to sleep and hungry at 3am. We went to Huddle House and the sign on the door said no checks or credit cards, I didn't have any cash on me. So we went back to the car to try again. A drunk in the parking lot asked what was wrong. My friend informed him that we didn't have any money. He told her that maybe he could give her some money. I told her, pretty forcefully, to get in the car now and I pulled out my knife and opened it up. It was too dark to really see the knife, but he heard it snap open, knew what it was and backed off. Had he come any closer to her, I'd have hurt him. If I were alone, I'd just have left. But as far as I'm concerned, if you fu*k with anyone I care about, especially her, you will get hurt.

You have to really trust yourself to use a knife for self defense. And it's not as easy as it seems. They have the advantage of surprise. If you can open your knife in a split second sitting on the couch in front of the TV, it doesn't mean a lot. What takes a second to do under ordinary circumstances may not be as swift when your mind and heart are racing.

Fight fist to fist or run. If they have a weapon, give them what they want.
 
You guys have good points, but I geuss what I was trying to say was when you hold a weapon it's very hard for you to be a well rounded fighter. Try it against an imaginary opponent, now if that wasn't hard enough think about the crazy situation and your inability to react correctly when your adrenaline is rushing. You might think it's better than your bare fists, but in reality you have freed your mind of the confinements the weapon imposes on your mind. Now instead of being offensive, where your liable to make a mistake. You can react correctly to your opponents moves by clearing your mind of any distraction. For the untrained this can come in the form of talking your opponent down, i.e. offer to buy him a beer instead of fighting. or scream for help and run. Or look for a weapon that has greater range.
 
Johnny Blaze said:
Or look for a weapon that has greater range.


:D

You're very right. A knife should be the very last option. If you pull it out too soon, your attacker could just as easily say you pulled it on him... but most likely, your attacker would feel threatened and be more likely to do some actual physical harm to you.

When I said above that any knife could be used for self defence, I should have added that no knife is good for self defense. The only knife good for self defense is one that you walk down the street carrying in the open position... and that's not a bit legal. A knife concealed from sight is also concealed from you when you need it. Those Hide Away knives with so many spiffy carry options don't really work if you're wearing clothes. The dummies in the ads are naked, so they can get to the knife no problem; but hopefully, you're wearing clothes.
 
I agree 100%, I carry my EDC every where I go, but would use it as a last resort weapon for self defense. Knock on wood!
 
Johnny Blazes is mostly referring to those untrained in martial arts. I have seen them fight, and I have been in fights with people who were obviously not trained in any sort of fighting. I understand his point -

However, this does not necessarily make a non-martial artist ineffective with a knife. A knife is a deadly weapon in a manner that ones fists or feet really arent. Even a well trained and experienced martial artist would be hard pressed to deliver a fatal blow in combat with their bare hands. It can happen, but it's rare. People are tough to kill with your bare hands, regardless of your martial conditioning. With a good knife it only takes a small cut on a major artery at the neck, wrist, bicept, inner thigh, or even back of the hand, to kill you or incapacitate you. Maybe not instantly, but it makes it difficult to fight on, and if you die after killing your opponent, then what's the point?
Respect everyone with a weapon. I know I do.

When I fight with or without a weapon, I try to keep my opponent at a distance. I'm 6' tall, 200lbs, muscular, and a fearless Cherokee brave. I am trained in Tae Kwon Do, Ju Jutsu, Shotokan, Ken Jutsu, and some Bowie techniques. I have been in maybe 30-40 fights in my life - some with other Cherokees(we're just a bunch of trouble makers) and some with 'the white man', most of which seem to have issues with indians, or otherwise were would-be bullies. Most of my hand to hand fighting was before college.
More recently fights tended to include weapons either on my part or the attacker. In my experience, I would prefer to smack someone upside the head with a small stick, or simply point a gun and tell them to GET, than get into a wrestling match with them. My martial arts are a last resort. In all the fights I have been in, the ones where I came away the obvious victor tended to be when I was armed. Sometimes never having to strike a blow or fire a shot. Most bullies and criminals are cowards at heart. Displaying a weapon you are willing to use tends to defuse the situation in my experience. When Cherokees, and most Indians, fight you lose face if you have a better weapon. On the street, you can lose your life if you don't have the better weapon.

For self defense, I purposely carry only one lethal weapon; my Walther PPK. It is a last resort. Otherwise I stick with a lightweight aerospace aluminum baton from ASP that fits in my back pocket, and pepper spray(usually in a glove box, rarely carried). The baton can do a tremendous amount of damage to soft tissue, and it can easily break bones. Such attacks are rarely lethal, but can instantly stop a fight. A baton can kill if you hit the attacker in the head, though, as it does have a solid steel tip. All in all, it is a superior weapon to any knife unless your goal is to kill your opponent. I also feel it is a superior weapon to use against a knife. It has more reach, is just as fast into action, comes out of nowhere, and can easily smack a knife out of the hand, or break the hand or wrist or arm etc.

A knife is a lethal weapon along the lines of a gun - and most courts and D.A.'s view it as such. I do carry one(A Cold Steel Scimitar which recently replaced a Cuda Dominator), and I know I might have to go to it if the going gets rough. But I mostly have it as a utility knife and curio, not for defense. Maybe it's the old politically correct man in me, or maybe it's my Cherokee blood, but I prefer to beat an opponent without killing them. I nearly killed a man once hitting him with a 25# chain. I never felt any remorse as he instigated the attack and it was all I had handy, but I always thought it was overkill for the situation and took measures to correct it.

Basically speaking, when you don't leave a corpse or a graviously injured person, and can walk away from a fight unharmed, the entire episode it over. No cops asking questions, no law suits, no relatives looking for vengeance, etc. That's my preferred way to handle an attacker.

WYK
 
..."Condition Yellow"-relaxed but alert with a constant situational awareness.My own personal self-defense story happened in the fall of 1991 around 1am in the morning.A pickup truck with 3 men inside started to verbally harass and provoke me at a stop light;I was angered but didn't react in any way in order not to escalate the situation-this apparently enrage these 3 idiots and for over 30 minutes they followed me in their truck(license plate covered in mud!).I was getting anxious and I certainly didn't want to lead them home.Eventually I was fortunate that I was able to out-maneuver them and was out of their sight for about 20-30 secs and was susequently able to hide in a driveway that was off a side street(lights/engine off/facing out).I could hear them racing up and down the main street for over 20 minutes-swearing &cursing that I had eluded them.I had a knife with me (fixed 5 in.blade)BUT was I glad NOT to have used it.Condition Yellow always-Knife,gun?Only in the "Gravest Extreme" :confused:
 
Stickbait, you did the right thing there. In your situation the knife would have done more harm than good. A cell phone would have helped you much more than the knife.
 
My cell phone is a regular part of my SD EDC lineup. :D Um. When it works.

Anyway, I don't feel that knives have a strong place in self-defense, primarily because any situation that you could legally use a knife in self defense, you could use a gun.
 
Thanks-however a cellphone may not have helped as I was too busy driving my 5-speed manual transmission and trying not to get caught in a dead end street or a situation i couldn't drive away from.These morons weren't kidding ;they threw several objects at me (looked like old car parts and 1 of the 2 "passengers"had a baseball bat or metal pipe(?).I live in a city of more then 325,000 people and strangely that night I saw NO police cruisers all along the main street and side streets as I was being chase for nearly an hour!Fortunately I had a full tank of gas and kept cool enough to not do anything stupid.It was unnerving and I had the "shakes" for over 15 minutes after I got home.After more then a dozen years I still remember the incident vividly-just glad it wasn't one of my 3 sisters that was being harassed that night! :(
 
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