EDC Izula carry

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I live in Mo and I've see all different stuff about whats legal and what isn't i just ordered an Izula and i want to know if it's legal to carry. any help would be greatly appreciated. Any one have any experience on Missouri blade laws????
 
It's hard to get through the legal jargon with some of these laws. However, here's how the MO laws look to me: in Missouri, we can't carry any sort of concealed fixed blade knife. Folders are legal for CC, as long as the blade is less than 4 inches in length (the law specifically says that "pocketknives" are legal, but never defines what that is. However, there was a case in which a man was convicted of carrying a concealed weapon because his knife didn't fold, even though he kept it in his pocket, and the judge cited some dictionary definition from the 80's that defined a "pocketknife" as being a folder). If you have a concealed carry permit, that might allow you to carry a fixed blade legally; however, I don't think this has ever been tested in court. What it all boils down to (in my interpretation) is that the Izula is illegal for EDC because it is a fixed blade, even though it is smaller than many closed folders. If you choose to carry it anyway I doubt you'll ever have any problems, but you need to be aware that it is illegal and thus be extra careful. If you use the Izula in your occupation, as part of your job, then I think that is legal.
 
I can't get a straight answer from buddies that are LEOs about my izula. They tell me I should just tell the officer if ever in a situation. Until then, I'm carrying.
 
Just neck carry it exposed. :D
I once heard a saying, "Free men don't have to ask permission to carry a weapon".
Are Americans really free anymore?
 
Depends on how you look at freedom and you define it. off topic I know
 
hoopster said:
Just neck carry it exposed. :D
I once heard a saying, "Free men don't have to ask permission to carry a weapon".
Are Americans really free anymore?
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Sure, free to possibly go to prison if you misinterperet a vague law. Good old legal jargon.

RSMO 571 - Weapons Offenses

Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.
571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife (knife by definition does not include a folder with a blade under 4 inches) , a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or

THEN....

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

So by reading the law we can gather that it is legal to conceal a knife with a CCW endorsement, right? People have emailed the MO Attorney General and gotten responses that say CCW only applies to firearms. Really, is that what the law says? I'm actually going to email them and see what response I get.

The biggest misconception about law is that it is black and white. It isn't. With a CCW endorsement I wouldn't sweat it, otherwise it's pretty iffy.
 
It's pretty much in english right there.

In MO, anything other than a folder with a blade under 4" is illegal to carry concealed on or about your person. A CCW endorsement MIGHT cover you depending on how the judge reads the law. Otherwise it is a Class D Felony, Unlawful Use of a Weapon.

I've gotten schooled on MO weapons law in the last year and the first thing you will learn is that it is NOT black and white. That's not just Missouri either.

People think "well my buddy is a cop and he said it's cool." Well let me assure you that cops are human too and they can be wrong just like the rest of us. And when your buddy isn't the cop that finds your 2" fixed blade knife in your pocket, get out your wallet.

It makes me so mad I want to shoot fire out my eyeballs. Here we have to discuss whether or not we can carry a 2" fixed blade or not.
 
Fortunately enough I have someone who can translate laws into sth understandable, and I look up laws anyway.
And that wasn't english for me. I had the same expression on my face when the teacher came in the class room during math and wrote "XIV-I=XIII". It's made to confuse you. roman numbers when you're 7, and laws when you're over 18
 
In Wash a CCW is only for a Gun not a knife. Go figure. Easy to get as long as you haven't killed anyone or have Domestic violence
 
when i wake up and put my knife on my belt around my neck or in my pocket the last question that im asking myself is if it is legal to do so. im 46yo and have never had an issue with carrying a knife. i live in baltimore city which has a pretty violent reputation. our police officers here are understandably on edge but ive never had a problem. they didnt even pat me down the last time i was mugged [they had a 38 and i had a knife, the knife stayed put]. if you are a law abiding citizen i wouldnt worry about legal carry lengths. concealed or otherwise. 3 hours in jail and some court costs for a pbj seems like a deal to me for a lifetime of carrying if it would ever come to that. and accord. to my cousin,who is an asst. dist. attny., no one with a clean record has ever done any time on a concealed weapons charge[first that is] in the state unless they were involved in a felony. as in "they were the perp". being a perfect "sheeple" is what gives those in power the power to convince you that you need them to run your life. sorry for running on but the blade issue strikes a nerve when there are people willing to illegally carry guns and harm us and our families.
 
From the way that law is written a set of keys could be considered a weapon if they could prove it's possible to kill someone with them which we all know is possible.
A lot of it hinges on two things, intent of the accused, and the discretion of the responding officer. After that you're in the hands of the legal system.
 
hoopster said:
From the way that law is written a set of keys could be considered a weapon if they could prove it's possible to kill someone with them which we all know is possible.
A lot of it hinges on two things, intent of the accused, and the discretion of the responding officer. After that you're in the hands of the legal system.
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hoopster you are correct. but i got off point with my rant. in basic terms i am a tradesman [a plumber] so i can justify carrying a blade. but as you stated it it all based on intent. if you do everything possible so that you are not "the accused" than you should be fine. im just getting tired of the gov't. telling me how to live when ive been living and taking care of my family just fine without them.
 
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