Edge holding

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I don't know if if it's just my imagination, but has anyone noticed a difference in edge holding on the "older" HT to present HT blades?
I've only compared my Small Insingo 2011 and Ti-Lock 2014. Now both have blades .120" thick, both have the same hollow grind, I reprofiled both to 18 deg, both have the same shoulder thickness at the edge.
The Insingo "seems" to loose it's sharpness sooner.(The Insingo is by far my favorite, not going to get rid of it):)
What do you think?
 
I think I read here that in mid 2013, they started running a slightly higher RC on the blades.
I've always thought the 25 and Umnumzaan have a little longer edge retention over the 21 and it seems to me the 25 and Umnumzaan take more attention when sharpening.
 
I just ordered a small Insingo I've been told is dated from July 2015, and I'm looking forward to trying a CRK of recent make.

Jim
 
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I've sharpened quite a few Sebenza's for others, and how i sharpen them is based on both personal experience and user feedback.
On older ones i've learned that the lowest angle i can reprofile them to lies around 35 degrees inclusive, and that i have to keep the edge finish rather coarse to still have quite good edge retention.
On newer ones i can lower the edge angle to around 30 degrees inclusive, and i also can refine the edge more, yet still have good edge retention.
Other people may have other ideas, but this is what i've found to work well.

Yesterday i did this regular Sebenza from 2005 in S30V steel, which is the favorite folder of a professional hunter.
The old factory edge was kept more or less sharp by him with stropping only, and the edge angle measured 35-40 degrees inclusive on the straight part and well over 40 degrees inclusive from the belly to the tip.
I reprofiled the edge to an even 35 degrees inclusive from heel to tip on my Rubber Wheel covered with 230 grit diamond powder (covered in wax to prevent any damage due to overheating), and only removed the burr with the Tormek leather wheel coated with 1 micron diamond compound.
This removes the burr gently but efficiently, while at the same time leaving the scratch pattern intact as much as possible to preserve bite (something i specifically aim for)
The Rubber Wheel has a tiny amount of "give" in it's surface which provides for an ever so slight convexity in the new edge, and the use of diamonds makes sure that the vanadium carbide particles in the steel are cleanly cut.
The resulting coarse edge both favors the S30V steel type and the actual use it will see in the hands of the hunter, and it's treetopping sharp with lots of bite.

No "before" pics this time (i forgot), but below are the result pics i also sent to the owner.









 
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Can anyone please give a comparison of the "new" hardness with the "old" hardness.

It would also be nice to get some proper confirmation on this other than just one guy(from CRK? can't remember his name..) saying it is so. Still weird that they don't change the certificates..
 
Oh heck, I was hoping someone would say YES the "newer" ones cut better and stay sharp longer.:D
Then I could buy another Insingo.:thumbup:
 
I can only suggest that the differences are slight if any and the perceived results are placebo as most people use subjectively and cannot hope to quantify any differences in a meaningful way. Simply put, there are WAY too many variables in daily use and sharpening to really separate performance over preference.
 
It may well be just a Perception on my part.
I wonder then, why did they increase the hardness?
 
It may well be just a Perception on my part.
I wonder then, why did they increase the hardness?

I've been wondering that too. The only thing I can think of is the increase was soon after the time they switched to S35VN, which is supposed to be tougher than S30V. Many people complained CRK left their steel too soft, so maybe if S35VN can handle the slightly higher hardness, they were trying to give customers what they wanted.

This is pure conjecture on my end, not based on anything I've heard or read.
 
It may well be just a Perception on my part.
I wonder then, why did they increase the hardness?

Perhaps I have missed the evidence that this change actually happened?

In fact, the cards seem to indicate that it didn't.
 
Perhaps I have missed the evidence that this change actually happened?

In fact, the cards seem to indicate that it didn't.

Maybe he means on the Inkosi. However there was a statement from someone at CRK that the hardness had been increased as of sometime in 2013 on all knives. It's on a thread here somewhere.
 
Guys I emailed CRK and confirmed the hardness bump, said it in a few other threads. You can do the same if you'd like, but just trust I'm not lying.

All CRK's are now 59-60. I have a few hardened blades that were done by Paul Bos, but have yet to compare to the bumped up factory CRK's. I've heard from many that have the 25 saying the edge retention has been better.
 
This seems pretty suspicious to me. It seems very peculiar that they would provide written and "signed" documentation with a knife that is contradicted by "someone at CRK" (please understand I intend no offense...it just seems very fishy and does not seem to mesh with the meticulous attention to detail we have come to expect from this company).
 
This seems pretty suspicious to me. It seems very peculiar that they would provide written and "signed" documentation with a knife that is contradicted by "someone at CRK" (please understand I intend no offense...it just seems very fishy and does not seem to mesh with the meticulous attention to detail we have come to expect from this company).

If you really can't believe me just call and confirm. I have no reason to lie and already verified it via email with CRK staff. I know you intend not to offend, but understand it can be quite annoying to be doubted while relaying info from the horses mouth. Lol, knowing this forum I should've save the email and pasted it here.

Yes I'm excited about the bump, but I'm not making it up!

We can only speculate why the cards have not been updated to reflect. But if you check his site at least one knife is reflecting the change (haven't checked them all).


Insoki
Blade material: CPM S35VN
Blade hardness: 59-60RC

Blade length: 2.75 inches
Blade thickness: 0.128 inches
Handle material: 6Al4V Titanium
Handle length: 3.875 inches
Handle slab thickness: 0.125 inches
Double Thumb Lug: Titanium
Stop Pin, Pivot Pin, Back Spacer: Stainless Steel
Weight: 3.1ounces
 
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