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Edge pro apex using 2" diamond plates.

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Hi, I have a problem with the system mentioned in the topic.
Whenever I try to sharpen my knives, the created bevel is inconsistent throughout the blade. It is consistent on most of the knife(tip, belly and midsection) , but quickly tapers off when it reaches 2/3" away from the handle.
Rotating the plates 180 degrees does not help.
I imagine the problem may lie in the limitations of the machine, however I would like to get your opinion.
Regards.
 
I know what you mean, all you need to do is move the blade forward or sideways to adjust the angle. Make sure to use sharpie to ensure that you're hitting the right bevel angle, and adjust as needed!
 
There is no way to move it forward. The handle is preventing that. However I will try to angle it in relation to the table mauve that will help. I shall try it and report. Thanks.
 
I would think 1" EP diamonds plates would be easier to work with... without even ever trying a 2" plate, it just feels awkward to me and lends itself to an uneven bevel, on mid to shorter blades?.... could this be responsible?
 
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I would think 1" EP diamonds plates would be easier to work with... without even ever trying a 2" plate, it just feels awkward to me and lends itself to an uneven bevel, on mid to shorter blades?.... could this be responsible?

Yup, I got a DMT coarse mounted for the EP just fo hogging off steel. I don't use it now on the EP. Just too awkward. I prefer my 150 grit moldmasters for that especially since I can apply a bit of pressure without worrying about dislodging the abrasives.
 
I would think 1" EP diamonds plates would be easier to work with... without even ever trying a 2" plate, it just feels awkward to me and lends itself to an uneven bevel, on mid to shorter blades?.... could this be responsible?

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Just seems like a 2" stone is bulky and awkward on the small machine. The factory 150 stone can chew through some metal, but you have to remember to relevel them often.
 
Yup, I got a DMT coarse mounted for the EP just fo hogging off steel. I don't use it now on the EP. Just too awkward. I prefer my 150 grit moldmasters for that especially since I can apply a bit of pressure without worrying about dislodging the abrasives.

Just got the 80 and 120 grit Moldmasters.... OMG. :D :thumbup:
 
Just got the 80 and 120 grit Moldmasters.... OMG. :D :thumbup:

tell us about the Mouldmaster's you have/use as I've been drooling on Congress's site but so terribly confused by all the choices???... would like a progression from very course to as fine as they sell... whatever you can share is appreciated...



oops.. sorry this is hi-jacking.... I'll start a new thread...
 
tell us about the Mouldmaster's you have/use as I've been drooling on Congress's site but so terribly confused by all the choices???... would like a progression from very course to as fine as they sell... whatever you can share is appreciated...



oops.. sorry this is hi-jacking.... I'll start a new thread...

Well I have the Moldmasters, 80, 120, 320, 400 and 600 Grit.

1" x 1/8" x 6" fits the stone blanks.

Pretty much zero slurry, VERY hard so they don't really wear hardly at all, I use Windex mostly, but you can use water.
 
Edgepro documentation refers to the primary bevel as the edge and the secondary bevel as the face of the knife behind the edge. For the purposes of this discussion I refer to the primary bevel as the portion of the face of the knife directly behind the edge, and the secondary bevel as the cutting edge.

As to what you are describing, this is usually because there is a portion directly in front of the ricasso that forms a plunge line that tapers towards the belly of the blade before the functional portion of the edge.

As such, directly in front of the ricasso will be a thick piece of tapering metal that looks like the edge, but is not the edge origin. A few millimeters past the ricasso a functional edge forms that will not be very wide. Towards the tip, the width of the edge will be wider.

This is a function of the grind of a knife and the application of a fixed angle to a grind that varies in thickness from ricasso to tip. Ben at Edgepro states that on some blades this area should not be sharpened or it will eventually hollow out the blade. Eventually you will probably grind out your own sharpening choil if you keep trying to sharpen at that plunge line. Ben recommends just to leave that part alone.

It is also why some knife-makers purposefully grind a sharpening choil there so that you do not have to worry about it. In such cases, a small indentation has been made between the ricasso and the edge. Effectively, that section has been hollowed out preemptively by the maker and the knife will appear to have less usable edge. The edge that remains should be relatively uniform and you can sharpen all the way to that choil.

This is more of a function of the differences in grind throughout the knife than it is in the limitations of the edgepro.

Applying a consistent angle to an inconsistent grind will result in disparities in the width of the edge from ricasso to tip.

Your description of the problem, that:

Whenever I try to sharpen my knives, the created bevel is inconsistent throughout the blade.

is normal on knives that have been sharpened on an edgepro. Achieving an equal angle along the secondary bevel (the cutting edge) comes at the cost of unequal width.

Most hand-sharpened knives that come to you finished on a belt have variance in the edge angle that you will end up correcting for when you reprofile with the edgepro.

The natural curve of the edge introduces different thicknesses of steel such that you will remove progressively more metal at the tip because you have to thin out that much more based on the grind of the knife. You can minimize this by putting on a more obtuse angle (resulting in less reprofiling of the primary bevel behind the edge) but I think you will find yourself a happier person if you ignore the plunge line and come to terms with unequal edge width from ricasso to tip in exchange for the equal edge angles that the edgepro can provide!

Wharncliffes tend to exhibit less of this as well, at least towards the tip, but that won't solve your plunge line/ricasso transition problem.

I might also add that there are really only a few scenarios that will require use of the diamond stones. They are very aggressive and will remove alot of metal. They could be useful for your first reprofile, but once you are maintaining the edge I would advise to touch up the blade with a much higher grit stone.

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Let me know if that helps!
 
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Glad I could help. I tried to be a little repetitive to make it clear! Congrats on your new acquisition and (hopefully) very sharp tools. The trick is to go easy on the knives. Gentle pressure. Work with the blade, but don't grind it away. No system is without learning and I would classify myself as a beginner here as well. Other members here have resources and videos on Youtube that are very helpful. Let us know how you do.
 
To be honest, for now I've put it in the closet. I enjoy sharpening freehand on my Japanese 1k/6k water stone more. I am able to get beyond hair whittling edge even though my angle is not 100% constant. I might even sell my ep along with the diamonds at this point(unless I get 1" diamonds) . We will see.
 
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This is a function of the grind of a knife and the application of a fixed angle to a grind that varies in thickness from ricasso to tip. Ben at Edgepro states that on some blades this area should not be sharpened or it will eventually hollow out the blade. Eventually you will probably grind out your own sharpening choil if you keep trying to sharpen at that plunge line. Ben recommends just to leave that part alone.

It is also why some knife-makers purposefully grind a sharpening choil there so that you do not have to worry about it. In such cases, a small indentation has been made between the ricasso and the edge. Effectively, that section has been hollowed out preemptively by the maker and the knife will appear to have less usable edge. The edge that remains should be relatively uniform and you can sharpen all the way to that choil.

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Here's my solution. I cut a bit of a notch but not quite a sharpening choil(I don't lke them) in the heel so I can have my entire edge sharp.

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