Edge Pro....Convex???

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Alright then,

Perhaps a stupid question, and I will freely admit that I do not have an Edge Pro yet as I am still saving my pennies....

Is there any reason you couldn't do a convex grind with an Edge Pro? I'm thinking a piece of mouse pad or foam on a steel blank and then sandpaper over that. Wouldn't it effectively be the same as building a mouse pad "block" for you paper and doing it by hand? Just flipping the whole idea upside-down.

Thoughts?
 
I'm sure it would work but you still must know how much pressure to apply and holding a perfect angle does not mean much when convexing. If you decide to try let us know how it works though.
 
probably the same way the stones clamp to the guide rod, glue up the foam backing then a small lip of sandpaper over that that catches on the plastic holders.
 
How would you keep the sandpaper sticking to the mousepad?

Spray glue (the regular 3M stuff) would work.

Based on having used an EP for 10 years though, I think it works better to do a double bevel with the EP and the round it off with a conventional mouse pad setup. Granted, I have not tried what O/P proposes, but the alternate does work fine. You can even do a triple bevel on the EP if you like, but it's not necessary.
 
I'm not sure I see the point. You couldn't push the foam/sandpaper into the edge, you have to drag, and seeing as the angle isn't terribly precise or necessarily as consistent as a V grind it would seem a bit of a waste of money.
 
I'm not sure I see the point. You couldn't push the foam/sandpaper into the edge, you have to drag, and seeing as the angle isn't terribly precise or necessarily as consistent as a V grind it would seem a bit of a waste of money.

Me either. I have a Edge Pro and I also sharpen a few convex edged knives, but I don't use the EP to do it. The EP is great for sharpening flat beveled blades, but I can't see how it would work on convex edges any better than strops or mouse pads and hand sharpening. Actually, I can't see it working as well on a convex edge as hand sharpening.
 
I agree with the above comments. I think it would work, but would require some learning curve, it is probably not worth it and may be counter productive. I see convex sharpening as both sharpening with fine grit sand paper and also stroping on leather when done. I do most of mine on a belt grinder but when convexing on by hand, on the bench or in the field, I lay paper on a leather strop since ultimately I'm going to use the strop to finish up. In other words I don't use a mouse pad.
Wouldn't it effectively be the same as building a mouse pad "block" for you paper and doing it by hand? Just flipping the whole idea upside-down.
Yes, but it adds some more problems. Maybe more then it solves or it's worth.

I think, after you got it all set up, you would have a tendency to press too hard with the EP compounding the problems mentioned. Some of the complications I see are:

  1. It is easy to apply a lot of pressure with the EP as you are holding on to a handle, standing above the machine, pressing down, have your whole are and body weight above the stone, will tend to use some if it if not careful, etc. It is hard not to apply that pressure. When finishing on a stone especially the finer ones I cradle the arm and hold some pressure off the stone to reduce the weight of the arm.
  2. With a 1" wide strip of leather or mouse pad you need less pressure then with a wider piece because it will compress and contour (concave) easier.
  3. Inconvenience - too much set up time and trouble to make the plate (you'll need one for each grit of paper + the bare strop since you will have to glue them on), get the EP out and set it up each time, experiment with angles and pressure each time, etc. Note: You don't have to glue the sand paper on teh mouse pad or strop for free hand convex sharpening.
  4. With a free hand strop you can check the angle and pressure by moving into the leather just enough to tell it where it is grabbing (leading edge), near the edge of the strop, finding the angle and pressure where you are just contacting the blade edge. This is where the edge will just start to cut into the strop. Granted, I don't do this with sandpaper, but with the paper I can hear and feel the proper angle and pressure free hand. I think you would loose this feedback when using an EP. You could still use the Sharpie trick, but I think it would add steps and free hand convex is already the easiest free hand to execute. One of the nice things about a mouse pad or strop and a sheet of wet or dry is the convenience, light weight, and small storage/packing requirement (like a small piece of leather on a short piece of paint stick and a sheet or two of sand paper).

If you try it I would suggest using leather or a harder mouse pad to try and get less compression of the material.

All that said, I suggest you "Go for it". I think you would learn a lot about sharpening in general, convexing and the EP. Like any new technique, just try it on a junk knife first. I don't think it would be worth the effort either, but I would also like to here the results if you try it.

Are you already convex sharpening free hand right now?

Gary
 
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I think I might take a crack at it. It was more of an idea then anything else.
I'm not free handing anything anymore. Two surgeries on one hand, one on the elbow and one more coming in Sept has pretty much put the bam-bam on me free hand sharpening. That is what sparked my interest in the Edge Pro to start with.
 
In that case it might be worth the trouble. If you can control the pressure fairly accurately while holding on to that handle, and it would be very light pressure, I think it would work. It would probably help stabilize your movements and you won't have to control and hold the angles with all those stabilizer muscles if that helps.

Again, let us know how it works.

Gary
 
I don't think you'll get nice convex edges but maybe something workable for you. Maybe after you get your EP you'll wind up doing conventional v-grinds, which is what it's really meant for, and excels at IMO.
 
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