Edge Pro - Rejuvenating Stones

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Is there an alternative method to bringing back life to my stones? Some are loaded with plastic from the table edges. The soapy water doesn't seem to help much. I tried sanding them down with black sand paper and soapy water but that didn't help, tried 120 and 220 grit.

I know the method they want you to use is the glass plate/silicon carbide. Is that by far the best/only way to do it?
 
In my opinion, for a cheap / cost effective lapping solution, yes the SiC on a sheet of glass or even a concrete hollow block is the most effictive way for a user that has only a have few stones and that are seldom to occational use. If you use them a lot and have alot of different stones, then the DMT 8x3 or larger diamond stones are the way to go, specialy for heavy dished or chiped stones that need "restoration". Be aware that stones can be contaminated / damaged so badly that you have to / would be better of to toss them and just buy a new stone. Ben's cost on the replacement EP stones is very fair. So I guess it depends on how much your time & effort is worth? Keep the bed taped with painters tape and be mindfull of contact and save yourself a lot of extra trouble & time. I have had my EP for several years now and have never gone through the tape and hit the bed so I can't say one way or the other about removing the ground in plastic? Maybe call Ben and ask him but I would think it a 50/50 shot if they are realy clogged / loaded with the plastic. It may come out or it may just get ground in farther? Not sure.

Capt. Thomas
 
i lapped mine on a DMT XC and saw some improvement, albeit it was short lived. IMO, in general, they are just not great stones. I just purchased the Chosera set of waterstones and Atoma Diamonds to take their place. Night and day difference.
 
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The most cost effective method is a sheet of 320 grit 3M wet/dry sandpaper on a piece of flat glass or plexiglass. Keep it wet and rinse it often.

Make small X marks all over the stone with a pencil, and rub the stone in a figure eight movement until all of the marks are gone. The stone will then be clean and flat.:thumbup:
 
The most cost effective method is a sheet of 320 grit 3M wet/dry sandpaper on a piece of flat glass or plexiglass. Keep it wet and rinse it often.

Make small X marks all over the stone with a pencil, and rub the stone in a figure eight movement until all of the marks are gone. The stone will then be clean and flat.:thumbup:

+1 to Ben's suggestion. It just plain works. :thumbup:
 
Is there a method that will grind down the stones more than a "level"? I've been doing the sand paper method and it doesn't appear to take much of the thickness down without hours of scrubbing :D Maybe some kind of file, then go back over it with a run on the sand paper?
 
Here is a picture of my set up. Maybe the stones are beyond repair....

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Thoughts?
 
Is there a method that will grind down the stones more than a "level"? I've been doing the sand paper method and it doesn't appear to take much of the thickness down without hours of scrubbing :D Maybe some kind of file, then go back over it with a run on the sand paper?


320 paper is fine for cleaning / swarf removal, light "maintenance dressing" of stones etc. Your stones appear to be very contaminated and somewhat dished. You have to approach this just like the sharpening process of your knife it's self.

If a blade is really dull, damaged or needs re-profile....... would you start with a 800 grit stone? No you would go with what gets the job done in a reasonable period of time and progress farther & finer from there. You are trying to remove material from a stone (and contaminant’s) that is harder / hard enough to cut the steel in your knife.

Go to the hardware store and get 5-6 sheets of 60 grit (80 of they don't have 60) and 5-6 sheets of 180 grit dry paper. You can use wet and wash / rinse and have the water mess etc. it works the same just messy and more time etc. If you use the dry paper, you can just keep a garbage can handy with an old tooth brush and tap the paper against the side of the can and brush the stone when the dust starts to load. Some may argue with me but again think about it. Fast is the name of the game unless you’re bored and have nothing else to do. As you wear down the 60-80 grit, don't throw it. Set it off to the side. Follow the "x" mark pattern above when you start getting close to a uniform contact pattern across the stone. Continue until all pattern marks are gone.

Now here is where you vary things a bit. On the EP stock 120 & 220 stones, I don't do anything above the 60-80 grit paper. Just wash & scrub with a tooth brush under running water and your done. On the 320 & 600 stones, start with what you feel is need for the condition of your stone (right grit / tool for the job), in your case I would go ahead and start with a fresh 60-80 and just as the "x" marks are gone, switch to the 180 paper. When the "x" are gone and the stone is lapped flat, rinse / scrub the 320 and you’re done (your still keeping that used paper right). On the 600 & 1000 stones, finish them off with the 320 and I do recommend finishing them wet to preserve the finer finish of the stone, rinse, done.

The "used paper" can be used again and again until it’s worn out as the next progressive finer step and I keep a few cut in strips to touch up convex edges in the field. Look I sharpen a lot of knives and when deployed may use three different blades a day just depending on OP requirements. Anywhere from a very minor touch up to a chipped / chunked blade. I sharpen a lot and wear my stones as well, also some Japanese water stones I use. I had not been using diamond plates for stone maintenance until recently but I'm hooked on them now for stone lapping. I can take a semi dished 120 EP stone down to flat in 5 min. with a DMT XC 10" diamond DUO Sharp stone. I used to use SiC grit and glass on ALL MY STONES. It and sand paper work, just slower. On patrol I have used concrete hollow block, pieces of broken concrete slab and the edges of coffee cups and broken plates even!

Tip: Make sure the surface you are using is really flat and resist the temptation to move the stone in one direction to much! Rotate ends, move in a figure eight, move in a "X" pattern etc. often or you will have trouble with uneven material removal from end to end & side to side. If your going to use SiC grit or sand paper, go to hardware store or glass shop and ask them if they have any scraps of 1/4 thick glass big enough for a 12"x12" or slightly larger piece. Have them cut it and bevel it for you. I got one for free, paid $5 for the other one. It's worth it! I'll post some pic's later.

Capt. Thomas
 
Here is a picture of my set up. Maybe the stones are beyond repair....

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Thoughts?


These aren't even close to "worn out". You can still very clearly read the ink stamps on the stones. I use my EP stones until only 1/3 of the original thickness. Yours don't look like they have much wear on them at all? Just dirty / contaminated, they should clean up and lap out fine. You can check them on a sheet of glass or a straight edge to get an idea of how dished they are.

Capt. Thomas
 
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Lap them with a XXC DMT Diamond stone and they'll be flat and looking like NEW in no time! Or even the XC DMT(what I used) and is $15 cheaper.

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/dmtextracoarse.html


Having said that, "my" EP 120 is just pitiful, no matter how much I flatten and clean it up. And "my" 220 is not much better. The 320,600 and 1000 are somewhat OK.


Harpoon1 is correct. As I mentioned above, I use the the DMT XC Diamond stone and I have a XXC Dia-Flat lapping plate on order now. Cuts the time to maintain reasonable condition stones to minutes, repairing and restoring chipped and badly dished stones from hours to an hour or less depending on condition.

Capt. Thomas
 
I sharpened my ESEE Izula II today. I worked it earlier in the day and I wasn't able to get it too sharp, started at 220 and went to 600. Later I replaced the tape on the table (did 2 layers this time) and was able to sharpen it a lot better. I went back to 320 and hit it pretty hard. Then went to 1000 and all was well. The 1000 stone is "rough" - as in when I am running it the stone vibrates. I attribute this to the "lines" of plastic. However, the end result on the knife edge was still good. After the 1000 I ran up to 3000 on the tape then I did 6000 to finish it off.

I hear a lot of guys running 400-600 and stopping there. I have heard that those grits will pop hair if done correctly, but I haven't been able to achieve that. I started shaving hair around 1000.

I do notice that even after finishing both edges at 1000 there is a rough spot on one side or the other, usually half way around the tip radius. I've hit it with my hone and it seems I do more damage to the edge than good. Thats when I started going up in the polish tapes.
 
KC,

Call Ben Dale and get one of his "special order" 1200 grit stones. Same price as the others, but capable of a much nicer edge than the 1000. IME, it comes very close to the polish of a 5000 Shapton. (Much slower than a Shapton, of course.)

If you have trouble with the 120/220, invest in a diamond plate. Ben rates the diamond plates as fine and superfine, but they cut much faster than the 120 stone.
 
I re-profiled/re-edge'd a couple of kitchen knives this evening also. I started at 220 because the blades are thin and I didn't want to take off too much. I did that once with a swiss army knife that was chipped as all get out. I over-cut with the 120. In any event, the knives were rounded off (had never seen anything other than a steel hone) and the 220 wasn't quite cutting it so I bumped down to 120 and it still took a lot of work. Once I had an edge worked up (15deg) I knocked the burrs off and went up to 220. I stopped at 600 and they seem to be alright. I bet that's the sharpest they've ever been in decades.

The higher grit stones (320+) still seem to work "ok". The only stone that shows having an anomaly is the 1000 in that it vibrates. The diamond plates are a bit out of my price range, realistically. Will it hurt anything to run the stones as-is? Will I wear them in with more use? As with all stones they will wear more in the middle than the edges so at some point they will truly need leveling. I guess I just want to work through the plastic in the stones...
 
I re-profiled/re-edge'd a couple of kitchen knives this evening also. I started at 220 because the blades are thin and I didn't want to take off too much. I did that once with a swiss army knife that was chipped as all get out. I over-cut with the 120. In any event, the knives were rounded off (had never seen anything other than a steel hone) and the 220 wasn't quite cutting it so I bumped down to 120 and it still took a lot of work. Once I had an edge worked up (15deg) I knocked the burrs off and went up to 220. I stopped at 600 and they seem to be alright. I bet that's the sharpest they've ever been in decades.

The higher grit stones (320+) still seem to work "ok". The only stone that shows having an anomaly is the 1000 in that it vibrates. The diamond plates are a bit out of my price range, realistically. Will it hurt anything to run the stones as-is? Will I wear them in with more use? As with all stones they will wear more in the middle than the edges so at some point they will truly need leveling. I guess I just want to work through the plastic in the stones...

Just get the SiC powder(about 6 bucks and lasts for a long time too) that Ben Dale sells and get a pane of glass about 14"X14"X1/4". Lap your stones according to the video and those stones will be better than new. Cheapest and most effective way to rejuvenate your stones. I've tried a DMT XC plate and while it works, it made my lower grit stones smoother than I liked.
 
Just get the SiC powder(about 6 bucks and lasts for a long time too) that Ben Dale sells and get a pane of glass about 14"X14"X1/4". Lap your stones according to the video and those stones will be better than new. Cheapest and most effective way to rejuvenate your stones. I've tried a DMT XC plate and while it works, it made my lower grit stones smoother than I liked.

Ben's SiC powder on glass is an excellent solution. :thumbup:

I prefer the wet/dry sandpaper because it seem to make somewhat less of a mess, but either method works quit well, and the difference is, IMHO, a matter of personal taste.
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Capt. Thomas, your comments are quite correct in reference to 320 paper on badly dished stones. Again, this is personal taste, but I prefer to never allow my stones to dish so badly that 320 grit paper is inadequate.
 
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