Edge rolling in "sweet spot"; is this a problem?

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Some weeks ago, I received another happily-awaited box from our gracious hostess. (Thanks!) Inside was one of the more-beautiful khukuris I think I've ever seen: a tin chirra with a nice, polished walnut handle--made by Vim, I think (Nepali flag mark, recently purchased). The fullers catch light beautifully; the blade shape is nice; the chiruwa handle says it's going to be hard to break; the edge geometry is nice, and it even came quite sharp right out of the box. My intention was to use it enough to make sure everything was in order, then oil it up and save it for when one of the kids gets old enough to appreciate such things. I love Himalayan Imports' stuff, and perceive these knives as something my kids can use as hard-use outdoor knives until they pass them down to their own kids. (Hey, with 5 kids, that's an excuse to buy plenty of knives, eh?)

On one such outdoor visit, after a number of chops of the usual hardwood firewood, I glanced at the edge and noticed a bit of a wave or bend in the edge, right about at the sweet spot. I kind of didn't want to believe it, and turned the blade to catch the light. Definitely a bit of a bend. Hmm.

Took the karda and, after some muscular effort, steeled it back to where the dent wasn't too visible. Maybe I'd just misjudged where the hard zone is supposed to be on the blade. I half forgot about it.

Last weekend, took the knife back out and used it for lopping half-inch branches from a bough of soft pine. Blade was nice and sharp, and, again, the blade shape was excellent. Took it in to clean off the pine sap, scrubbed away for a few minutes with a plastic scrubber--and then noticed that the edge was rolled to one side for a few inches, over an area that included pretty much anywhere you'd expect to find hard steel on a khukuri.

Now, this surprises me. I'd never run into this before--edges might roll, but usually off in the meant-to-be-softer parts of the blades, rather than the zone mid-way between the curve and the tip. I've got to admit that I may be looking at a heat-treat issue.

I suppose it might be possible that the polishing has drawn some of the hardness from the very surface of the blade, and that there might be harder steel down in there somewhere. But I'm not too sure--that first dent wasn't just edge-of-the-edge stuff.

I'm posting this for two reasons. First, I'm interested in asking those of you who've run into khukuris that are hard down within, but polish-softened at the very edge: how deep, in your experience, does one have to get into the blade before getting to the hardened steel? Am I dealing with an excellent blade that just needs some steel removed, or did our young kami Vim (who, in other respects, seems able to put together a really impressive knife) maybe miss with the teapot full of quenching water?

Second, I'm just kind of interested in keeping everybody up to speed on the knives, in sort of a field-test way. I figure if this is a common problem, everybody from Vim on down will benefit from knowing, so they can adjust the heat-treatment. It's a great knife, both shape-wise and looks-wise, and kind of a shame to have anything but highest praise for it and the smith who made it.
 
I've had one I managed to sharpen back. I took about 1/8" off:eek:

I personally would return it.

I think the tempering on the newer ones is really excellent. I'd say that one slipped thru and the next one will be better.
 
I've never had it happen, and l use my khukri's hard.

The kami's are very talented, but they're only human.

Everyone makes an oops now and then.
 
Sometimes on the multi-fullered blades the edges can be a bit on the thin side so a good sharpening with a little bit more obtuse edge can fix it once and for all.
Another problem that sometimes crops up is that not enough material was removed from the edge to remove the soft steel that's left over the hard steel when the hardening is done therefore after the blade is sharpened a few times the hard steel is exposed and the blade is good to go for nearly forever.
The bottom line it's a chance you'll have to take. If it were me I'd take a good file to it and see if I could get down to any hard steel within an 1/8" or so and if not then I would return it.
The Tin Chiarras are beautiful blades!:thumbup: :D
 
That's a tough one to know for sure. I would certainly give it a good sharpening even using a file at first. Break thru the outer shell and see what happens then. I can say that I have noticed more of a problem with that sort of thing on the polished blades. Even my villagers get sharper after a few uses. Good luck.
DanR
 
Hollowdweller, I've taken your advice, and have arranged to swap it out for a new one. This one should find a home with someone who'll have fuller confidence (pun intended) in it, and appreciate it more thoroughly--and maybe who has uses for it that involve a little less desert hardwood. Himalayan Imports certainly has knives that laugh at mesquite and olive wood, etc., and that's what my kids will be needing.

Let me take this opportunity to give due credit to Yangdu and to Himalayan Imports, for immediately being willing to trade out the khukuri. I cannot think of any seller that has provided better customer service than Yangdu and Himalayan Imports. If I'm going to send my kids out into the mountains with a knife that may need to be relied on very hard, I'm happy I can do it with a knife that I could really test beforehand, rather than leaving it untested.
 
Send it back to HI for replacement.
 
Ive had this happen, I posted about it before.
I filed out the damage, and done some light testing since... everything seems to be fine now.

Ill give it a heavier test one of these days, if it happens again I think I will be looking into returning it.
 
. . . and in the mail came a replacement: a beautiful khukuri, probably better-suited for tough desert and mountain survival use. I see that it was mailed the day after I sent the original back (so I'm guessing the replacement was sent before the original even got there).

Once again, let me point this out as another example of H.I.'s great customer service. I can hardly wait to take out the new one and put it through the paces.

Thanks to Yangdu, and to those who posted their suggestions above.
 
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