Emergency Preparedness Discussion

Tim the Wizard

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Ok Fiddlebacks,

This is a space to discuss your thoughts, opinions, and experiences related to emergency preparedness or "prepping".

We all may have different views on this so civil discussion is welcome.

Right now we are establishing a very basic set of preparations in the event a hurricane causes damage to water treatment in our area or knocks out electric. No gas here.

However, views on prepping for other situations such as earthquake, war, civil unrest, post-apocalypse, the breakup of Metallica, etc. In the short or long term are also welcome.
 
We are fortunate that temperature in Florida does not require heating, so fire planning outside of what might be needed to grill is not an issue.

As a basic guideline, I have read that with conservative use, planning for 1 gallon of water per person per day is a minimum standard. To that end, I am using small stackable and transportable 3.5 gallon water bricks.

I have used 55 gallon and 15 gallon plastic drums, however their weight and volume make them difficult to maneuver and clean. Furthermore, they are stationary. They are unequivocally superior in terms of sheer volume. However, the smaller containers can be moved while full, filled on the move, carried in a vehicle, and cleaned without personal injury.

The World Health Organization sets the chlorination standard at 0.5 parts per million chlorine at the tap.

Other agencies suggest no more than 2 ppm total chlorine at the tap and at least .2 ppm after 24 hours in a storage container.

These are based on eliminating microbiological life and not removal of industrial contaminants, so if you have a non traditional source, there may be other considerations for filtration.
 
Beyond water, feel free to comment on food, medicine, self defense, communications, and any other issue. I will add my thoughts to those as well in time.
 
Huge topic but always fun to discuss.

I think one of the first hurdles is acceptance. Many people delay action in a state of denial that the event is really occurring.

Pre-planning helps as the early decisions have already been worked out and become a reaction.

Considering alternatives is good practice- if highways are clogged, how do you move around- railway beds, streams and rivers, utility right of ways- these things give options.

Many people focus on hoarding guns/ammo/water and protein bars. How about medicines, soap, preventative healthcare, tools + basic supplies to keep your house and auto runnning? A look back to our 1930's should teach us that skilled hands with tools get fed.

The ideas of heading to the woods to hunt and forage are good short term but my grandparents were young adults in rural SW Va during the depression- edible game was VERY scarce. Groundhogs became their "venison".

Bill
 
I find the easiest and safest way for water storage is to use a water bob in the bathtub
Also I have a daulton (spelling is doulton )filter that will filter all water to potable standards.
 
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Huge topic but always fun to discuss.

I think one of the first hurdles is acceptance. Many people delay action in a state of denial that the event is really occurring.

Pre-planning helps as the early decisions have already been worked out and become a reaction.

Considering alternatives is good practice- if highways are clogged, how do you move around- railway beds, streams and rivers, utility right of ways- these things give options.

Many people focus on hoarding guns/ammo/water and protein bars. How about medicines, soap, preventative healthcare, tools + basic supplies to keep your house and auto runnning? A look back to our 1930's should teach us that skilled hands with tools get fed.

The ideas of heading to the woods to hunt and forage are good short term but my grandparents were young adults in rural SW Va during the depression- edible game was VERY scarce. Groundhogs became their "venison".

Bill

I bet they had some stories!

I find the easiest and safest way for water storage is to use a water bob in the bathtub
Also I have a daulton filter that will filter all water to potable standards.

Thanks Mac, I'll have to check out that filter.
 
Here in Houston we suffer hurricanes too.. I have a water bob but I also get sparklets water delivered to my home which I keep 4 full 5gallon jugs at a time and rotate them with each delivery

Every 6 months I have amazon deliver a mountain house foods bucket which is freeze dried food that will keep 20+ years... I have enough to feed 3 people two weeks just in case... and that number grows every bucket I get

Other than that I have two life straws, 1000 rounds of ammunition for all my guns and two bug out bags and all sorts of cellphone solar charging stuff


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Since buying my house just over 5 years ago the only situation I've had to deal with is a power outage. This was from a storm blowing a branch onto the lines. I was woefully unprepared for that so luckily it was during the summer and it wasn't that hot out. I moved all the food to my garage fridge and powered that with a generator. Luckily we had that as most people I know don't have any kind of secondary power source.

I then realized if it had been the dead cold of winter I would have been in serious trouble without power for a few days. I would have had to pack my wife and kids to go 15 miles up the road to my moms. Pretty sad idea that I wasn't ready for much. So to fix that I installed a plug on the outside of my house that connects to my generator that feeds an outlet in the basement. That outlet will power my furnace and outdoor boiler for heat. To set that up was $50-100 worth of parts from the hardware store and an afternoon. Just make sure you keep gas on hand! I buy the 5 or 6 gallon containers when they are on sale at the local hardware store, then just rotate them when used for my lawnmower or plow truck.

I'm lucky enough to be off city supplied water and have both a standard well and pounded sand point with a hand pump inside my house. I try to keep some stored water on hand as well and some food in the pantry. I do need to get better with that though.
 
For the first time in my life, I'm living more than 20 miles from the Coast, so hurricanes have been a way of life for me. I've been without power for ten days after a storm and seen total destruction when Hurricane Rita hit my home town in Southwest LA, which I had to evacuate for. So take this for what it's worth.

1. Your refrigerator will keep you fed for a few days. Your gas grill and a coleman stove will make your life much, much easier when it comes to food prep. Soups are your friend as they require little cleanup and the heat keeps them safe. Spaghetti is also a great go to. You have to boil the water anyway, so throw in some pasta, put the pasta in a bowl and spoon some sauce from the jar on top of the hot pasta. Virtually no cleanup. (You did stock up on paper plates right?)

2. Think about flooding. Now is not the time to be gathering up important documents and the like. I've got a flash drive that I protect carefully, that has scans of all the important docs. It fits in a pocket and is very light.

3. Long term lighting will be an issue, but the good news is that by the time it's dark, you will be dog tired. I recommend those little solar yard lights that are about a buck at walmart. Get a few next time you roll through the garden center.

4. I keep a first aid kit that is stocked with Immodium and some antibiotics. Nothing like having the runs. Also lots of cloth (heavy duty) bandaids. When you work hard, you will get nicked up.

5. I have an Emergency Prep kit. There are about 10 pairs of those latex gripper gloves as well as some heavier leather ones. A few flashlights, those walmart yard lights (throw away the stakes and just keep the top part.) as well as a stash of nalgene bottles and a Sawyer Squeeze water filter. There's also some duct tape and 500 cord.

6. I had a generator, but before we had that, we had a 12 v inverter. I had a deep cycle battery that I used to drive the inverter when I needed some power. I also had a pigtail that I could plug in a 12v cigarette usb charger.

7. A plan. As each storm approached, I generated a 72, 48, 24, and 12 hour list of actions to be taken. Anything that I needed to stockpile, I got at the 72 hour point if they were not perishable and we'd use them in time. (Think paper plates, spaghetti sauce, pasta, etc.) I also kept a spare propane tank, several of the 1 lb propane bottles, and three gallons of coleman fuel. This stuff really doesn't go bad in an un-opened can. I also tested the equipment (chain saw, stove, lantern, etc) at the 72 hour point so I could still find replacements or repair them as most people are not actually buying stuff until the 48 hour point. Also start charging up all the devices in your house.

8. Establish a "go or stay" metric and write it down. Do this well before you are in the decision window as your bias will be toward staying as the storm gets closer. Make this critical decision when you are not under the pressure of a time crunch.

9. 5 gallon buckets are a great way to store stuff. Water, food, clothes, whatever. Put the lid on and it even floats. Much better than a suitcase for evacuation in my opinion (now putting two in a rolling suitcase is a great idea)

10. Know your flood zones.


What surprised me most was the cold water for showers, (we eventually figured that the gas water heater only needed power for the blower motor and could easily be run off the inverter for about an hour and we'd have some warmish water.) Secondly, my 2 y/o son just didn't get it and was being a total JA because he could not watch his baby einstein videos. We finally cracked the code and figured out how to run the TV and VCR off of the inverters. Oh, I also quickly realized that once the wind started blowing that our double wide garage door was the weak link. Luckily I had a few 2x4s that I used to make some shoring that tied into the header and a little ridge we had on the concrete floor. That kept the door from bowing and blowing out like lots of the others in the neighborhood.

The good news in the hurricane scenario is you have warning. The key is to think through the issues and be prepared.
 
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People used to laugh at preppers as paranoid freaks. Now prepping is a multi-billion dollar industry. As others have stated above, prepping is the key. You really need to have a plan to handle multiple disasters. You have a core set of needs: heat, food, water, shelter, etc. but you also have different needs that can develop based on the type of disaster. If you dealing with EMP damage, it would be helpful to have equipment designed to survive that. Likewise flooding, extended survival, and other event types dictate different needs. It's hard (and expensive) to prepare for everything, but once you've got your core needs covered (short term food and water, shelter, first aid gear, solar panel/power source, etc.) it is a good time to star looking at more specialized needs for various disaster types and extending your capability to survive longer-term disasters.
 
Fiddleback Survival & Prepping,

How cool is this thread?

I actually see many folks go out of their way to say they are not preppers. I am. But not in the traditional sense.


I just believe in versatility and independence. I try to buy stuff that is versatile and has more than one use. Like my coffee pot. All stainless with glass perk top. It goes from my kitchen stove to a campfire. I look for stuff like that.
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I grew up in a family where both parents lived through the Great Depression. Not GD2, the first one. Both were apparently hungry at times. They never forgot it.

When I was young, they had a pantry full of food stores. My dad actually had one closet for canned goods that had all the shelves tilted up in the rear so the canned goods rolled forward. When they got their tax return or other windfall they bought food. It was just their way.

I am not of the mindset to sit around constantly be waiting for a disaster to occur. I prep for life, not disasters. I live in the North Country and like to live a somewhat independent lifestyle. I like knowing that if the grid drops in the middle of the winter, I will survive. So forgive me if some of my thinking is slanted toward cold weather.

I am not a survivalist nut job. But I do think people should have enough stuff to take care of themselves and not have to depend on someone else or the government.

A few years back, just before Christmas, we had an ice storm. At approximately 06:00 the power went off. I was three minutes into a ten minute perk on my coffee, bummer! But since I use an old school coffee pot. I just went out to the shed and grabbed my camp stove and finished up with that.

It is amazing how much better your attitude is, when you face a power failure with a fresh hot pot of coffee. We made our breakfast on the camp stove too. And then I went about what I had to do the get through the outage.

I see and read about preppers who have all the cool gear. Three or four black rifles, kevlar helmets, plate armor, night vision, you name it. But no first aid kit, or first aid training. Or a $400.00 first aid kit and no training. not many have any way to deal with a broken tooth.

My point is that I believe the boring stuff will be more helpful in a bad scenario than the cool stuff. We stock canned goods, flour, sugar, salt, drinking water, toilet paper and other staples that are necessary to live life on a daily basis.

***I think everyone should learn how to bake bread. I said this on another forum, and got laughed at. Because, how do you bake bread if the power is off? So I showed them some examples. Again starting out a disaster with hot coffee and warm fresh baked bread improves the mindset immensely.

It can be done on a gas grill,



Or my preferred method, the Dutch Oven,



And if yeast bread is too daunting, there is the baking powder biscuit route,


And back to the versatility thing, flour even makes hot dogs better,
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Seeing pictures of empty store shelves before a storm just reinforces for me, that I am on the right path. I am not where I want to be. But I get closer all the time. For me it is not so much about a disaster as it is being independent.

I think you can be a "Prepper" without being a "Nut Job" although the media makes it seem hard.

I have just come to look at it differently. Don't prep for bad things. Prep for good things. With back up heat, light and cooking sources, we had a relaxing time through our ice induced power outage. I knew ice was expected so I filled the tub the night before so I could flush the toilet. But I even have a backup for that. It's called an outhouse.

I will add more here as I dig through my old posts on stuff like this. Or I will stop if you guys see no value in my northern slant. We definitely face different challenges. But I also think a lot of it overlaps.
 
I'll add here before I head off to look for more info on how I think.

Training and practice. I believe these should be up at the top. Take a first aid course Many years ago I was an EMT. More recently, I was S.O.L.O. Wilderness First Responder certified. Take some courses.

Read Brian's posts and take an edible wilds course, or three.

Land Navigation is another skill folks should develop.

Go and and practice what you learn. Drive it home.
 
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Very cool thread. I am new to your corner of the web (Fiddleback forge group) I was very hesitant about reading this thread due to the fact when I see threads like this it usually involves Black rifles, large knives, loads of ammo. It is refreshing to see a more true prep mind in a real world situation. I'm Located in Las Vegas, NV so my biggest problem is running out of money for the slot machine. ;). I grew up in Oklahoma, land of the twisters, so prepping was a normal way of life. So to this day I still make sure I have 2 weeks worth of food and water at all times. I also make sure my car has a grab bag with extra cloths, water, first aid kit, food, and a poncho. You never know when you might break down.
 
Toilet paper, AA, AAA, and D-cell batteries. Alternative fuel sources, even if just your camping gear. Soap. Food, stored and scavenged. A good relationship with your neighbors so you can share resources and secure sanctuary.
 
Toilet paper, AA, AAA, and D-cell batteries. Alternative fuel sources, even if just your camping gear. Soap. Food, stored and scavenged. A good relationship with your neighbors so you can share resources and secure sanctuary.

^^^This^^^

I keep a years supply of toilet paper even when I think life is wonderful. I have dragged my butt through enough ferns, moss, and leaves to know TP rules the world. Second best, inner bark off saplings. Basically TP and wet wipe all rolled into one. Hint, don't use same piece for both.

Plus throw a roll of TP in a coffee can and fill it with Alcohol (Rubbing not Beer) and you have an impromptu candle/heat source. Crumple some up and shoot a small amount of lighter fluid on it and it takes sparks like nobody's business.

Lighting,


Again from what Trestle said above. Even if it is from your camping supplies. My camping, emergency, and normal gear has morphed into basically just my gear. Much of it overlaps these days.

I don't have them pictured. But I have these cheap LED Light switches. They look sort of like your normal light switch. Except they have a LED ligh on each side. I actually have them mounted on my walls near my normal light switches.

If the juice goes off. Flip the switch and go about your business. No digging for the flashlight in the dark. The bride even has one in her glove box as a backup to her flashlights and glow sticks.

I also have a few solar powered mason jar tops with LEDs in them from Lehmann's Non Electric. They take a double A battery and have a photo eye on top. When it bets dark, they come on. When it gets light they go off. Or you can take the battery out when ever you want. These work in reverse too. Charging my rechargable AA batteries when I need to.

I have two of those candle lanterns pictured above. One has been with me since the '70s. I usually run Citronella candles in them to help with the bugs. They work indors or out. Lightweight, portable and EMP proof if need be.

Kerosene lamps. I think everyone should own at least one. I have two that I hang around my base camp, like the one in the picture above. And two that hang in the house.



Glow sticks, chemlights or snap sticks. No matter what you call them. I think they are worth having. Especially if you have kids. Candles are cool, but the do present some risks. Fire, burns, and fumes.

Give each kid a different colored chem light and know at a glance who is where. Broke down at night, they make a decent flare substitute.

Hiking in the rain, after dark, lost, wet and nervous. Snap a chem light. Take a deep breath, and get your fire started, tarp up, and self settled down. Not a replacement for anything, but a nice addition.

Tons of uses for kids. Light sabers, tag, hide and seek, tell a little kid they get a light saber if the power goes off and she/he will be waiting for it to happen.

Again, practice this with them before the main event. These things are cheap enough to waste a few playing around.

Stuck in your vehicle overnight. Snap one and hang it in front of your rearview mirror for some comfort light. No need to run the battery down.

Tons of uses for these things. And zero fire risk.
 
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